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420 5/19/2018 3:26:00 AM Turn 1 Demagogue Message Thanks guys.

Sorry, slowish going at our end. Into debate 4. We'll hopefully be finished soon.
419 5/18/2018 4:05:00 AM Turn 1 Agiad Message Sparta is done.
418 4/28/2018 2:20:00 AM Turn 1 Demagogue Message Thanks guys.

Good to pair off for the assemblies. I'll be in touch, Randy, to see if we can tee up a live session (although school holidays and a heavy work schedule may delay it a bit).
417 4/27/2018 2:31:00 PM Turn 1 Aristocrats Message Hand drawn, entourage made. I can see my leader card again, which is nice. Many thanks, Brent.
416 4/27/2018 7:34:00 AM Turn 1 Eurypontid Message OK, I drew my hand and such! Sorry if I've held it up, I didn't notice we were back on track. Thanks for setting it back up all!
415 4/24/2018 5:17:00 PM Turn 1 Demagogue Message Thanks, Thierry. Because the game state is all on the board, it's quite easy to reconstruct it manually if the decks break (which it looks like they're prone to). We could even do it routinely each turn to keep it refreshed....the only awkward bit is cards kept from the Entourage but we're working on an honour system anyway.

Demagogue hand drawn and Entourage formed. I've labelled it 402 (this might be an easy designator to keep the turns sorted.....501 next turn, etc).

When you've done yours, Mike and Randy, we'll be ready for the assembly.

414 4/24/2018 1:58:00 PM Turn 1 Agiad Message Thanks for doing all this Brent.

Without your help the game would have stopped long ago.

I've let go of my Entourage & drew my new hand + new Entourage.

Anybody can follow.

413 4/23/2018 2:52:00 AM Turn 1 Demagogue Message ...and sorry I checked back and realised you had an extra honour from your Political capital, Thierry, which had gotten lost in the mess. I've updated he Save file to fix that and I've tided up the Dropbox by putting all the Turn 3 logs in their own folder, except for the last one so it's easy to access to check against the reboot log.
412 4/23/2018 2:24:00 AM Turn 1 Demagogue Message Okay, it was easier than I thought.

I've uploaded a Save log called Turn 4 Reboot to the Dropbox. It was quicker and easier than I thought. I've copied the game state as it was in the last log, including all pieces, Ravages of War discards, assembly state, Aristophanes discards and the current card, Wasps A. I've also drawn the Entourage card I'd saved to my hand and Created Political Decks. This should give us fresh, bug free decks....for now. Good to know we can refresh like this when we need to.

Could everyone please check this file against the last log to see if I have it all right?

If we're good to go, you just need to draw through your deck for your saved Entourage card, Thierry, and reshuffle the others back into the deck....then we're each good to draw our hands.
411 4/23/2018 12:15:00 AM Turn 1 Demagogue Message So guys, I think the game's broken and and I don't know if it's retrievable. A shame because it was starting to get interesting. The module is good but very buggy and I think the chance of fatal glitches increases the longer the scenario.

I don't know what you want to do with it, Thierry. What we could try is to record the game state as is (number of units and where, honour, pieces out of play, Aristophanes cards in the discard pile, etc) and restart a fresh game, manually resetting it to the current game state. The only thing that Thierry and I would need to do is retrieve the card we've each saved from our Entourage (if you trust us to do it :). A bit of work but I think it's doable.....and we've put a lot of time and effort into the game so far...it would be a shame to have it end here because of technical problems.

If you're happy for me to try to do a reset, I'll give it a go.
410 4/21/2018 9:33:00 AM Turn 1 Demagogue Message Thanks Thierry.

We have a big problem. I've done a log and manually shuffled the Athenian discards into the deck because the Create Political Decks button wasn't doing it. I've drawn my hand and formed my Entourage but had to discard multiple cards because they're stuck face down. I've done a deck check off-log and 50% of the remaining Athenian cards are locked facedown cards and can't be flipped (there was only one last turn). I'd be interested to know if there's a similar problem with the Spartan deck.

I'm not sure if there's a point we can go back to where we can remedy this. If not it looks like a fatal glitch and I don't think this is viable for play.....very frustrating.
409 4/21/2018 3:25:00 AM Turn 1 Agiad Message Done that. But it looks like it's not working for the Athenian deck.
408 4/20/2018 11:12:00 AM Turn 1 Demagogue Message Ah yes. Thanks, Thierry. That's it. I thought it was a glitch.

Any card you want to keep from your Entourage has to go to your hand because anything on the board will go to the draw deck when we Create Political Decks. If you put it in your hand and then Create Political Decks, we should all be ready to draw.
407 4/20/2018 3:56:00 AM Turn 1 Agiad Message I'm sorry but I'm completely lost here.

I've decided to keep 1 card from my Entourage (the one in the n1 spot)

I see no cards in other player's Entourage.

Do I have to move the card I want to keep in my hand ?

406 4/19/2018 8:31:00 AM Turn 1 Demagogue Message Actually, sorry, the glitch is in the Agiad Entourage. We might be able to fix it by going back to an earlier log (this would mean you guys having to discard your Strategos yet again!

I think I was the only one who kept a card from my Entourage? Technically, the Create Political Decks button should grab all cards from wherever they are on the board (so not ones you've returned to your hand like I have here) and shuffle them back into the decks......so technically if you decide to discard your entire Entourage you don't need to physically do it, just announce it, because the cards will be swept up in the Create Political Decks function. It should also find and automatically send your Leader back to your hand (you don't need to search for it).

That's the idea.......the module is buggy and getting buggier the further we go.
405 4/19/2018 8:16:00 AM Turn 1 Demagogue Message Thanks guys.

We seem to have another card glitch. I went to try to Create Political Decks at the end of Mike's log and there's still a facedown Spartan card in one of the Eurypontid Entourage slots. I've tried manually moving it back into the Spartan deck and can't. Mike or Thierry, could you try again, either manually moving that card into the draw deck of trying the Create Political Decks button yourselves?
404 4/19/2018 7:23:00 AM Turn 1 Eurypontid Message should be good now
403 4/19/2018 4:26:00 AM Turn 1 Agiad Message Mike, you still have 3 cards to unmask.
402 4/17/2018 6:03:00 PM Turn 1 Demagogue Message All yours, Thierry. You can create the Political Decks after you keep/discard Entourage cards and then you're free to draw your hand.
401 4/17/2018 11:32:00 AM Turn 1 Aristocrats Message Strategos back in pool.
400 4/16/2018 6:47:00 PM Turn 1 Demagogue Message The discard button for Strategos is wonky....sometimes works, sometimes doesn't. If you right click your Strategos pile, it will ask you how many Strategos you want to draw....choose the full amount (6?) and then drag the whole stack to the empty box to the right of your draw pile. You can then right click that whole stack again and choose the option to discard it to the pool.

Thierry, I think you might have discarded your Strategos in the alternate reality log you drew cards in, and I reset it? So you might be due Political Honour again?

I see there's a Spartan leader on the board. You won't have to do anything with that...the Create Political Decks button will automatically send all the leaders to players' hands from wherever they are, ready for assembly.
399 4/16/2018 2:26:00 PM Turn 1 Aristocrats Message Entourage discarded. The 'discard' button next to my strategos is now disabled. Should I move my strategos somewhere?
398 4/16/2018 5:34:00 AM Turn 1 Eurypontid Message I discarded all mine.
397 4/16/2018 4:31:00 AM Turn 1 Demagogue Message I've backed up to the end of Mike's file and created a new file 207a.

- discarded an Athenian Strategos for Ravages of War (pools shrinking...getting interesting)
- put Euro honour back to 24 (assuming that was right, Mike).
- put Strategos on the Strategy Boards
- given the Aristos 1 political honour (by my calculation you should have had 6 Strategos left, Randy)
- advanced the turn marker to 4
- drew Aristophanes (Wasps A) - placed Oracle issues and Will of the Assembly markers
- kept 1 card from my Entourage (to my hand) and discarded the other two

Before we get on to the assembly phase you each need to discard as many cards as you want fro your entourages and put any you want to keep in your hand. The last person to do this can hit the Create Political Decks button, which will get us ready for card draw.

Some of you still have Strategos to throw back into the pools. I thought you'd returned yours, Thierry, but maybe we've missed a log?.....there are still some missing from the Spartan pool
396 4/15/2018 7:35:00 AM Turn 1 Demagogue Message Sorry guys, I think you may need to back up a bit.

I'm a bit confused by your Strategos and Political Honour, Mike. Thierry had spent 5 and discarded 5 at the end for 1 Political Honour, so I'm thinking you must have had 14? You owed 5 for your Boeotian commitment so would have had 9 left at end of turn....which is worth 2 Political Honour, taking your total to 24 (I think you may have taken 3).

Thierry, Aristophanes draw comes first for the turn. We then all need to decide on whether we keep our Entourages (Aristophanes may affect these decisions) and create new draw decks with our reshuffled discards before you draw your hand.....so we should go back one log before you drew cards and draw Aristophanes.

Randy still has to discard his Strategos and take Political Honour and we need to discard a Strategos from the Athenian pool....we can do this when we decide on our Entourage discards.
395 4/14/2018 1:37:00 PM Turn 1 Agiad Message Perfect Mike.

I discarded my strats & drew my cards but I'm not sure where we stand with Aristophanes.
394 4/14/2018 1:01:00 AM Turn 1 Eurypontid Message Sparta redeploy is done, Thierry can check it.
393 4/12/2018 7:28:00 AM Turn 1 Demagogue Message To keep things moving along I've done an Athenian redeployment.....but Randy, you should look at it as controlling faction and see if there's anything you want to change.

I've destroyed the base and naval unit in the Eastern Med and made the Peace of Callias.

Discarded my remaining 5 Strategos for 1 Political Honour.

Advanced the Turn marker to Turn 3 (which we hadn't done).

Spartans up for Redeployment if you're happy with ours, Randy.

Everyone needs to discard their Strategos and take Political Honour and somebody needs to remember to remove 1 Strategos from each of our pools for Ravages of War.

Almost finished Turn 3.....and almost a third of the way through the game.

392 4/10/2018 7:22:00 PM Turn 1 Aristocrats Message The time for peace has come.
391 4/10/2018 7:01:00 PM Turn 1 Demagogue Message Rumours in Corinth and that's the end of the Theatre Phase.

The Aristocrats are next to make a decision about the Eastern Med and the Peace of Callias. You don't need to post a log, Randy, just announce your decision here and we can make the necessary adjustments when we Redeploy.

I've readjusted the base counter markers and done a quick count. Sparta are fine for maintenance. We're very close to our limit but will just squeak under the limit whatever Randy decides about the Peace. Then we'll Redeploy first, which should be the next log.

Political Honour.....we can discard our remaining Strategos when we do our Redployments. I think we've all paid our debts except for the Euros? (I think you allocated 5 to the Boeotian expedition, Mike?). I have 5 Strategos for 1 political honour.
390 4/10/2018 9:39:00 AM Turn 1 Agiad Message Demagogues up.

Thx for the clarif
389 4/9/2018 9:47:00 PM Turn 1 Demagogue Message Rumours in Corinth.

Agiads up....sorry guys, I think there might be alternating issues in this last stack so it will just be Thierry and me until it's empty.

A couple of things, Thierry:

- Your League issue build in Corinth was played correctly but you made a comment about your Persian base being involved, so just wanted to double check you were clear on how it worked. It actually had no effect on this build. It only comes into play when you build City-State units in Sparta with a military issue. It would then give you a bonus build in an Aegean theatre (theatres 15 to 19) or Ionia if you had bases there (neither of which you qualify for at present) or a bonus Spartan naval unit in Sparta. You were able to correctly build 2 League naval units in Corinth because you had 2 League bases there but your Persian Bases(s) will never have any effect on Corinth.

- I think you still owe 1 Strategos for your last Military issue.
388 4/9/2018 4:21:00 AM Turn 1 Agiad Message Demagogues are up.
387 4/6/2018 7:31:00 AM Turn 1 Demagogue Message Sorry, should have said....Agiads up
386 4/5/2018 8:06:00 AM Turn 1 Demagogue Message Actually, Japan isn't expensive at all...if you avoid 5 star hotels and restaurants it's very affordable.

I revealed a League issue in Sicily and built a League base there. Randy, I took the liberty of flipping your next issue for you. The only queue left is Corinth and I think we only have rumours there so we just need to cycle through them to get to the end of the turn. I think there may be a Spartan League to resolve there, though, if I've counted right?

Thierry, even if you weren't moving units (apart from the 300), you were obliged to spend 1 Strategos when you resolved the Military issue in Corinth.....you have to do that even if you want to cancel a Military issue. The only way you can flip a Military issue without paying at least 1 Strategos is if your pool is already empty.

385 4/5/2018 5:56:00 AM Turn 1 Agiad Message Demagogues are next.

Nice photos guys. I would like to visit Japan but I've heard it's very expensive.
384 4/4/2018 6:47:00 AM Turn 1 Demagogue Message There's a face up Spartan issue in the Corinth queue, Thierry.....and a few more to come I think (it's a big stack in Corinth!)
383 4/3/2018 8:44:00 PM Turn 1 Aristocrats Message Rumor revealed in Corinth.
Back to Agiad.
382 4/3/2018 4:45:00 PM Turn 1 Demagogue Message Military resolved in Sicily.

Flipped the Athenian card for the Boeotian standoff and discarded the 2 Start I'd committed (we'll all need to discard the Start we committed).

Aristocrats up

381 4/3/2018 10:10:00 AM Turn 1 Agiad Message Demagogue are next.
380 3/30/2018 10:52:00 PM Turn 1 Demagogue Message Thanks Mike.

Even if Sparta were a dead certainty to win the land battle, the battle still takes place in all its steps....so cards need to be flipped....might influence the outcome of another battle or Diplomatic issue later in the theatre phase.

While that was a Euro Military issue, I believe it was flipped in the Agiad turn. So it should be the Eurypontid turn now. Mike, you could resolve it before you go.....or you could flip it for him if he's already gone, Thierry, as the issue in Boeotia is the only Spartan one available.
379 3/29/2018 2:12:00 AM Turn 1 Eurypontid Message Well it was just slightly to close to push a naval battle. Sadness. If Athens had put down a few less Strats then I would have gone for it. Ohh well.

I'm heading to Osaka / Hemiji / Hiroshima next week for Spring Break
378 3/29/2018 2:12:00 AM Turn 1 Eurypontid Message Well it was just slightly to close to push a naval battle. Sadness. If Athens had put down a few less Strats then I would have gone for it. Ohh well.

I'm heading to Osaka / Hemiji / Hiroshima next week for Spring Break
377 3/27/2018 11:46:00 AM Turn 1 Agiad Message I thought I said it : 4
376 3/27/2018 6:27:00 AM Turn 1 Eurypontid Message Thierry I think we just need to know what you committed?
375 3/25/2018 1:43:00 PM Turn 1 Aristocrats Message Will not commit the ship.
374 3/23/2018 11:44:00 PM Turn 1 Demagogue Message I think you only planned to move the 300, Mike?

Just a reminder that, technically, both you and Thierry would have revealed, decided on your movement, and only then would you get to see the defenders' Strategos commitment. Probably doesn't matter too much here, but even then if you saw we were saving your strategos, you might have decided to move more land units in to protect against a possible big invasion and battle by us later in the queue (although not sure we have another...can't remember).

Assuming you've done your movement, I've committed 2....so 6 total for us. Randy has to decide whether he wants to commit the state ship before you resolve the battle.

373 3/23/2018 7:04:00 PM Turn 1 Eurypontid Message OK, I revealed...now everyone else can!
372 3/22/2018 2:11:00 PM Turn 1 Agiad Message Mike you're up.
371 3/20/2018 7:22:00 PM Turn 1 Aristocrats Message Commitment note added.
370 3/20/2018 10:07:00 AM Turn 1 Demagogue Message Demos committed.

Mike, you said in your log that you weren't moving units?....but that wouldn't be decided until after you commit and reveal Strategos.
369 3/19/2018 2:19:00 AM Turn 1 Eurypontid Message
We be fightin in Boetia. Please allocate your strats
368 3/17/2018 8:01:00 AM Turn 1 Agiad Message Eury up (pun intended) for military in Boeotia.
367 3/17/2018 6:59:00 AM Turn 1 Aristocrats Message Agiad up.
366 3/16/2018 7:31:00 AM Turn 1 Demagogue Message You can if it's uncontested but it would usually be a waste. I guess a higher Staratgos commitment would let you bring in units from other theatres, if that had any strategic advantage (e.g. if you suspected an enemy issue later in your home City State theatre queue and you were wanting to reinforce above your city state levy.

365 3/16/2018 6:03:00 AM Turn 1 Aristocrats Message Thanks. My question was if you would ever spend more than 1 strategos on a Military issue in your (friendly-controlled, uncontested) city state.
364 3/15/2018 11:14:00 PM Turn 1 Demagogue Message Yes Randy, minimum expenditure to resolve a Military issue is 1 Strategos, even in your own City State. In fact, you're obliged to spend 1 (as long as you have any left) even if you want to cancel it (I think Mike might have done this last turn?).

And yes, there are circumstances where you might want to spend up to the full 5 Strategos allowed to you as commanding general. If there were enemy units in your city state, you'd get your City State unit build and then perform a Military Expedition to battle as you would in any other theatre, maybe even pulling in reinforcements from other theatres, up to your side's total Strategos commitment.
363 3/15/2018 9:10:00 PM Turn 1 Aristocrats Message Spent. The requirement to spend 1 Strategos for a Military Issue in your City State is pretty well hidden in the rules. Would you even spend more than 1 for this?
362 3/15/2018 8:31:00 PM Turn 1 Demagogue Message Just a reminder, Randy. You need to pay 1 Strategos to resolve your Military issue in Athens
361 3/15/2018 7:10:00 PM Turn 1 Aristocrats Message Military in Athens. Built 1 naval unit, 2 land units.
Back to Agiad.
360 3/15/2018 4:46:00 AM Turn 1 Demagogue Message Issue resolved in Boeotia

Aristocrats up

359 3/15/2018 2:21:00 AM Turn 1 Agiad Message Demagogues are up.
358 3/14/2018 3:01:00 PM Turn 1 Aristocrats Message Built 2 League naval units in Boeotia.
Revealed Oracle in Athens, remove an enemy League naval unit in Boeotia.
Back to Agiad.
357 3/13/2018 4:51:00 PM Turn 1 Demagogue Message Revealed Aristocrats' League in Boeotia for Randy to resolve, and then it's The Aristocrats' turn to reveal.
356 3/13/2018 3:51:00 PM Turn 1 Agiad Message Demagogues are up.
355 3/13/2018 2:46:00 PM Turn 1 Aristocrats Message Placed last issue also in Boeotia.
Agiads up for first resolution.
354 3/12/2018 3:34:00 PM Turn 1 Demagogue Message My last issue in Boeotia.

Aristocrats should have one more issue to place, then we're ready to go to issue resolution.
353 3/12/2018 10:49:00 AM Turn 1 Aristocrats Message Issue in Athens. Back to Agiad.
352 3/12/2018 7:00:00 AM Turn 1 Demagogue Message Corinth getting a lot of love.

Aristocrats up.

Randy, there's a face up issue of yours in the assembly area of the map.....not sure what it's doing there.
351 3/11/2018 5:18:00 PM Turn 1 Agiad Message Demagogue up
350 3/11/2018 4:33:00 PM Turn 1 Aristocrats Message Issue in Corinth. Back to Agiad.
349 3/11/2018 7:09:00 AM Turn 1 Demagogue Message Demos Issue in Sicily.

Aristocrats up
348 3/11/2018 3:53:00 AM Turn 1 Eurypontid Message and now I'm out of things
347 3/9/2018 2:19:00 AM Turn 1 Agiad Message Eurys are up.
346 3/8/2018 6:46:00 PM Turn 1 Aristocrats Message Back to Agiad.
345 3/8/2018 4:53:00 AM Turn 1 Demagogue Message Issue placed I Sicily. Aristos up
344 3/7/2018 8:16:00 AM Turn 1 Eurypontid Message Demos again
343 3/7/2018 3:09:00 AM Turn 1 Agiad Message Back to Eury
342 3/6/2018 7:58:00 PM Turn 1 Aristocrats Message Back to Agiad.
341 3/6/2018 6:26:00 AM Turn 1 Demagogue Message Demos done, Aristocrats are up.

Randy, I've drawn both our Strategos. You'll just need to discard your hand.
340 3/6/2018 6:07:00 AM Turn 1 Eurypontid Message Demos is up
339 3/6/2018 5:36:00 AM Turn 1 Demagogue Message Thanks, Thierry.

Randy and I have checked through the deck, discards and Entourages to narrow down that culprit masked card.

It's Pandionis III (Aristocrats/Iolcus):
Base value 1
Aristocrats (if controlling faction) +3 Diplomacy, 1 Strategos
Demagogues (of controlling faction) +3 War/Peace, 1 Strategos

I'll drop it back in the Athenian draw deck on my turn. If it flips from the battle deck, or next turn from the political deck, we'll know what it is and can just play it as is for its stats.

Euros up next, I think.
338 3/6/2018 3:36:00 AM Turn 1 Agiad Message Done.
337 3/5/2018 4:45:00 AM Turn 1 Demagogue Message Thanks, Thierry. Ouch. That is one of the tensions of the game....debate too vigorously and you can come out empty for the theatre phase (although sometimes that's the way the cards fall and there's nothing you can do about it).

Looking at your final log, honour order should be:

Agiad - Euros-Demos-Aristos

Can we go from your final log, as you'll be first in honour order? We also had some sort of catastrophic Strategos pool glitch and it would be good to start from a clean slate.

What you would need to update in your log is:

1. Our theatre issues - 2 x League, 1 x Military for the Demagogues
1 x Military, 1 x League, 1 x Oracle for the Aristocrats.
(I have a War/Peace which will have no effect, so could be returned to the pool. Randy had a Citizenship which we've resolved pre-theatre and as a unique issue it needs to be discarded from the game)

2. The only honour shift is Aristocrats from 14 to 16 for resolving the Citizenship

3. Randy's Citizenship changed the League base in Ionia to a blue Athenian one and added a blue Athenian naval there.

4. There's a glitch with a masked Athenian card that we left on the map. Could you please return it to our deck? I'm hoping it will eventually "unglitch" but maybe if we draw it again and it's still buggy we should put it to the side. I'm tempted to go through the deck off log and compare it to my actual deck to find out which card it is.

Once you've done that you could place the first issue, Thierry. We'll discard our cards and take our Strategos when our turns come.
336 3/5/2018 4:30:00 AM Turn 1 Demagogue Message Sorry, hit send too early. If you guys are planning on playing any more COIN PBEM, Falling Sky or Pendragon (or any of them), and need a fourth, LMK (I'm a Pericles know-it-all but a COIN novice, so I'll be quieter, I promise :)
335 3/5/2018 4:25:00 AM Turn 1 Demagogue Message That's pretty ambitious, Mike! Cuba Libre is at the simpler end of things, I understand. I'd try any COIN, now that I know what they're about, but subject matter is important for which ones I'd buy....Ancients is my passion, so Falling Sky and Pendragon appealed to me. I'm sure there will be more (they seem to be pumping them out).
334 3/5/2018 3:45:00 AM Turn 1 Agiad Message Sparta is done. It has been a stalemate on (too) many issues.
333 3/5/2018 12:46:00 AM Turn 1 Eurypontid Message I'm in another group trying to play through all the COIN games. Seems I like some better than others. I found Liberty Or Death kind of Dull and Adrian Abyss just long. So Far Cuba Libre is still my favorite!
332 3/4/2018 3:18:00 AM Turn 1 Agiad Message Agree with Randy about COIN.

PBEM is great for those.
331 3/3/2018 8:19:00 PM Turn 1 Demagogue Message Randy and I have finished our assembly live and it's in Dropbox....File 154A (for Athens :). Very tight...equal issues and oratory honour and had to go to Favour of the Assembly tie break, so Aristocrats have kept control with a narrow mandate.

There were a couple of glitches in our log.....Randy's leader is stuck masked and there's a masked card from the deck that neither of us can activate. We've returned it to the deck but it's possible it will turn up still glitches from the battle deck.

We also had 3 Start disappear from our pool when I went to draw them. I've borrowed done from the Ravages of War discards but it shouldn't matter....I think we'll be using the Spartan log so it won't have happened.

Let us know when you guys are finished and we'll give you the details to update your log.
330 3/3/2018 6:46:00 PM Turn 1 Aristocrats Message I've played several different COIN games by e-mail and it works great (yes, much better than Pericles).
329 3/3/2018 6:37:00 PM Turn 1 Demagogue Message Off topic, gents, but I just played Falling Sky for the second time yesterday. I played first a year ago and have no other COIN experience, so it didn't click, but I was getting it yesterday and really enjoyed it.

When I was trawling the BGG forum looking for rules answers I noticed in a thread that a couple of you are in a PBEM game of it. I was wondering how well it plays PBEM. I imagine there are some interrupts, such as a player declaring whether they will retreat from battle, but otherwise player turns look like they would mostly be completed without need for other player interaction, which makes it look like it would be well suited to PBEM....probably more than Pericles.
328 3/1/2018 12:22:00 AM Turn 1 Demagogue Message Sorry to group mail.

Randy, I thought I'd emailed you but have found it stuck unsent in my outbox. My wife has blocked our proposed meet up time with a Rumours marker (the rumour being that I'm following her around with my credit card while she furniture shops....I know what I'd rather be doing :).

I should be able to do the same time on Saturday or Sunday (your evenings) if either suits you. If not, could I suggest we start PBEM and we can flip to live if a widow opens up?
327 2/22/2018 2:11:00 AM Turn 1 Demagogue Message Yes, ready to go from File 153
326 2/22/2018 1:54:00 AM Turn 1 Agiad Message Starting from 153 - Demos hand
325 2/22/2018 1:53:00 AM Turn 1 Agiad Message Just to be sure : we're ready to split files ?
324 2/22/2018 1:00:00 AM Turn 1 Demagogue Message Thanks Randy. I've done mine so we're ready to go.

I drew another card I couldn't interact with....face down, like the problem with the leaders. It may have been one of your previous cards. I've left it on the map. Would you mind seeing if you can unmask it in your next turn? If not, we should just move it to the discard pile. If you can unmask it, we should return it to the draw deck.

Ready for the assembly phase.
323 2/21/2018 3:36:00 PM Turn 1 Aristocrats Message OK, file redone.
322 2/21/2018 12:30:00 AM Turn 1 Demagogue Message Sorry Randy, I think you'll have to do it again. The cards you discarded were still in the discard pile, not in the draw deck when you drew your new hand. You can either place them from the discard pile into the draw deck one by one (which automatically shuffles them) or hit the Create Political Decks in the auto functions menu, which will shuffle all unmasked cards on the board into the decks.

I've just encountered the issue with the masked, face down leader for the first time myself in another game. It doesn't seem to be platform specific and is completely random.

I agree entirely that the way the Entourage is worded in the rules is confusing, that sentence you quoted in particular. Mark Herman confirmed this here....


......although the explanation of why this sentence in the rules says "may" is pretty unconvincing. I think it should be changed if the rules are ever updated.

In essence, before going into the assembly you must have only 7 cards left in your hand, including your leader.....6 for the 6 debates and one for the Strategy Board. As you draw up to 9, this means, in most cases, that you'll be discarding 3 into your Entourage. For players, the only exception is if you used your Brains Trust the previous turn, in which case what's left of your previous Entourage is discarded and you only get to draw 6 cards, not 9, so no Entourage is formed.

If you're playing solo, the Phormio bot doesn't follow this rule. He never forms an Entourage and just debates from his full 9 card hand.
321 2/20/2018 4:19:00 PM Turn 1 Aristocrats Message Done. It's not obvious that an entourage is mandatory with 9 cards. 5.21 say "He _may_ then create a new entourage". 5.23 does sound mandatory, but it's unclear.

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