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233 12/13/2017 12:31:00 AM Turn 1 Demagogue Message Actually, I think Mike might be offline now until Xmas, if I understood his post correctly? So maybe the war's on hiatus now until after Xmas?
232 12/13/2017 12:24:00 AM Turn 1 Demagogue Message Eurypontids up
231 12/12/2017 7:45:00 PM Turn 1 Aristocrats Message Demagogues are next.
230 12/12/2017 2:56:00 PM Turn 1 Demagogue Message The same thing happened to me, Thierry, then my missing issue reappeared after I'd placed my first issue. It looks like the card hand spaces can only manage stacks of up to 4 issues at a time. Maybe you should check the next log uploaded and I think you'll find your missing issue has reappeared.

I've had another play and you can get around this problem by putting single issues on the empty card spaces, instead of in a single stack.

Obviously this is not what the module was designed to do but it does get around the messy shuffling issue. In the boardgame your issues would be behind your screen, not sitting in plain sight.
229 12/12/2017 4:25:00 AM Turn 1 Agiad Message I'm not sure moving the markers in the cards tab was a good idea : one of my markers has disappeared and I can't find it anywhere. I will have to find a way to get it back somehow to place it on the board.
228 12/12/2017 4:19:00 AM Turn 1 Agiad Message Sorry, hadn't seen there was a file.

Aristos are up.
227 12/11/2017 6:30:00 PM Turn 1 Aristocrats Message Agiads are up, I believe.
226 12/9/2017 10:16:00 PM Turn 1 Eurypontid Message Done

FYI Tuesday we leave for Hong Kong / Siem Reap / and Chiang Mai. Returning on Christmas eve. After this I'll be out of leave for a while...
225 12/9/2017 3:44:00 PM Turn 1 Demagogue Message Eurypontids up
224 12/9/2017 2:49:00 PM Turn 1 Aristocrats Message Demagogues are next.
223 12/8/2017 3:19:00 AM Turn 1 Agiad Message Maybe I'm wrong. I'll check the logs when I have time.

Aristos are up.
222 12/8/2017 2:13:00 AM Turn 1 Eurypontid Message OK try 2 done
221 12/7/2017 4:34:00 PM Turn 1 Demagogue Message I'm setting up another game and just had another look through the Read Me file of the module. Apparently your issues are unmasked for your city state partner. That's not strictly by the rules but maybe it's easier in Vassal. I'm not sure why Mike's issues were closed to you last turn, Thierry.
220 12/7/2017 4:25:00 PM Turn 1 Demagogue Message Mike, I'm sure we'd all be happy for you to redo your play, if you want to. I can't see your issues (although we know what you played in Boeotia :).

If you're happy with it as is, I think it's your turn for issue placement, Thierry.
219 12/6/2017 3:43:00 PM Turn 1 Demagogue Message Thatís interesting. Iím pretty sure I could see Randyís counters last turn, the same way I could see mine, with the Masked notation. Of course in the real game you canít even see your own after youíve placed them. This doesnít seem to be under our control in the module...it just happened.

What I was suggesting wasnít a work around for masking but for the awkward and unsatisfactory shuffling issue. If the issues are put in the blank space in your card hand (effectively behind your screen) you donít need to shuffle.
218 12/6/2017 2:54:00 PM Turn 1 Agiad Message Last turn I wasn't able to see Mike's chits.

But if you're supposed to see what your "partner" is doing I'm good with it.

We may try your system if you're not though.
217 12/6/2017 2:01:00 PM Turn 1 Demagogue Message I had a quick look at Mike's log and his issues are masked for me. Maybe they stay revealed to you because you're in the same city state, Thierry.

I guess it's possible to track issues shuffled on the board, even if they're masked. You were right that the module could do with a shuffle function for these stacks. In live play, you have a screen to hide them behind. I had an idea and did a quick experiment......you can actually put your issues in the blank space at the bottom right of your card hand. They stack there and need to be expanded to access the one you want, but that simulates the player screen and overcomes the need for shuffling......maybe that's what it was intended for. Can I suggest we all revert to using that?
216 12/6/2017 8:31:00 AM Turn 1 Agiad Message Mike, if you don't mask your issues before shuffling & placing them, everybody is able to see what you are doing. ;-)

Like here : a rumour marker in Boeotia. :-)
215 12/6/2017 1:22:00 AM Turn 1 Eurypontid Message OK my issue is down

Agiad is up
214 12/5/2017 4:46:00 PM Turn 1 Demagogue Message ....and have done a small supplementary log, 102a, to give an issue to the Aristos to even up issue numbers, which I'd forgotten I had to do.
213 12/5/2017 4:11:00 PM Turn 1 Demagogue Message Thanks Thierry.

I've done some tidy up, distributed our Strategos, assigned theatre issues, readied the Salamis, masked and shuffled my issues (which everyone will need to do in their turn) and designated honour order: Euros-Agiad-Aristos-Demos. Randy can discard his hand in his turn to save us time, because otherwise we're ready to rumble, with Mike up first.

Interesting that both assemblies are dead even on honour.....amazing what a little Ostracism will do to level the political playing field :).
212 12/5/2017 7:45:00 AM Turn 1 Agiad Message I united the results in a new file (101 Assembly).

Over to Athens to draw Strats, discard cards etc...
211 12/4/2017 10:25:00 PM Turn 1 Demagogue Message .....and we're finally online. Normal business resumed. I'll be able to make regular plays.

Thanks for your patience, guys.
210 12/4/2017 7:11:00 PM Turn 1 Demagogue Message We finished the Athenian assembly live. Great way to do it. Thanks for making the time, Randy. Our log is number 91 and in the main folder.

So we probably should go with the final Spartan log to start the theatre phase, as one of you guys will be first in Honour Order. You'll need to make a few adjustments from the Athenian assembly:

- We're both on 15 honour even
- Both control and Favour of the Assembly have moved to the Aristocrats
- Demagogue issues are - 2 x Military, 1 x League, 1 x Oracle
- Aristocrat issues are 2 x Military

We'll have to allocate our won Strategos and discard our hands ourselves when we do our next logs.

I had a quick look at the last Spartan log and saw you'd manually pulled your Rumours issues out? There's an automated Assign Theatre Issues function to do this for all factions simultaneously once the issues from the assemblies have been allocated......no big deal but an easier one click option which you can do after you've assigned the won Athenian issues to our respective factions.

Enough talk. Now back to the war! :)
209 12/4/2017 5:59:00 PM Turn 1 Demagogue Message ďLook for a game onlineĒ button.

Iíll be so happy when I donít have to use my phone for this!
208 12/4/2017 5:58:00 PM Turn 1 Demagogue Message Iím on Randy. The easiest way may be to start from scratch, reopen the module. And choose the Loan ok for a game online button. Iíll meet you on the server
207 12/4/2017 5:48:00 PM Turn 1 Aristocrats Message I have the Vassal module open. I have never done live Vassal, and so will need instruction, with apologies.
206 12/4/2017 6:17:00 AM Turn 1 Demagogue Message I received your email, Randy....I just canít send except through ACTS. Iíll be online at GMT 2300.
205 12/3/2017 8:29:00 PM Turn 1 Demagogue Message Okay, I have access at the local shopping centre (never thought I'd have to resort to this!) and have played my card for the issue and collected Strategos. I changed the issue in question to one of the ones in the centre (as I know you'd intended all along.....I know guzzling wine and philosophising at the symposia with your aristocratic buddies can get to your head :).

I can get here to play live tomorrow if you nominate a time.

Your leader does have the same back as the other cards. This rang a bell and sure enough others have encountered the problem before:

https://boardgamegeek.com/thread/1877089/problem-revealing-leader-cards-vassal-module

Interestingly I've never had a problem with it. I don't know why some are affected and others not. I don't think there is a fix yet but it's not a problem because the card is only ever used in the assembly phase and we know what it does. If your leader is stuck face down (more of the wine? :) you can just play him that way (I presume in the Strategy board segment) or just let me know you plan to if you can't move the card at all, which may happen.
204 12/3/2017 5:19:00 PM Turn 1 Demagogue Message Hi Randy.

Sorry if this is a double up. Having trouble with email. Trying this one through ACTS.

Your Monday evening sounds good. Do you know what GMT/UTC Timezone youíre in? (Iím GMT + 11). If you nominate a time at your end Iíll make sure Im somewhere with internet access....might be the local shopping mall but weíll see how it goes :).

Thanks,

Brent.

203 12/3/2017 3:26:00 PM Turn 1 Aristocrats Message My leader card isn't under any other cards. There is a card in my hand that is face-down and that I cannot turn over. Do the leader cards have the same back as the other cards?
202 12/3/2017 3:17:00 PM Turn 1 Aristocrats Message I guess that's a hint that I should choose a military issue from the center. I will do so.
201 12/3/2017 5:28:00 AM Turn 1 Agiad Message Take yout time Brent. Not your fault.

As long as the game keeps moving.
200 12/3/2017 5:11:00 AM Turn 1 Demagogue Message Randy, just wanted to double check before I play my card for your chosen issue. Did you mean to choose the Military issue that's already on your track or one of the ones from the centre?

Sorry to the Spartans for the delay. I'm still without regular internet access. Our provider guarantees we'll be connected tomorrow but I've heard that one before. I can't even send private emails because there's some block on my phone.

Randy, I wonder if the best option would be to play the rest of this out live, which we can do in 15 minutes or so. If you nominate a GMT time that suits you I can try to find a public WiFi access to get it done so it doesn't drag out.

Sorry again, everyone. Hopefully this will all be resolved soon.
199 12/2/2017 10:58:00 PM Turn 1 Eurypontid Message Sparta is finished up and the file is in the main folder

Mike
198 12/2/2017 10:15:00 PM Turn 1 Demagogue Message The other possibility is that itís accidentaly gone to your Entourage, either as one of the three cards or group selected and inadvertently dragged across with another card and sitting in a stack under one of them....once again, the cursor hover should reveal it.
197 12/2/2017 9:38:00 PM Turn 1 Demagogue Message Yes, your Leafer card should have automatically gone to your hand when the auto function for Create Political Decks was used. Mine did and I assume the Spartan ones did? One possibility is that itís hidden under one of the other cards in you hand, which may have happened if you did any rearranging of the card positions. If you hover your cursor over each card in your hand, it will reveal if itís actually a stack with the Leader card buried underneath.
196 12/2/2017 7:29:00 PM Turn 1 Aristocrats Message Issue chosen, card placed.
Not sure where my leader card is - I should always have it in hand, right?
195 12/2/2017 9:42:00 AM Turn 1 Demagogue Message Athenian Debate 1 complete.

You're up for debate 2
194 12/2/2017 7:49:00 AM Turn 1 Aristocrats Message Card played.
193 11/30/2017 6:42:00 AM Turn 1 Demagogue Message Thanks, Randy.

First debate issue chosen and card played.
192 11/29/2017 8:30:00 PM Turn 1 Aristocrats Message Last 2 issues chosen. To you to start us off.
191 11/28/2017 10:38:00 AM Turn 1 Demagogue Message My remaining three Boule issues chosen, Randy.
190 11/28/2017 2:49:00 AM Turn 1 Demagogue Message Thanks Randy. My daughter thinks itís the end of the world!

Iíll have access at work this week and will hopefully be able to post turns in some free moments.
189 11/27/2017 8:41:00 PM Turn 1 Aristocrats Message First issue chosen. Sorry for your internet troubles, Brent.
188 11/21/2017 4:04:00 PM Turn 1 Demagogue Message Just a heads up, guys. Iím moving house today and our internet access, which we organised months ago, is in limbo. Australia is transitioning to a national broad band network (at the cost of billions!) that has turned out to be a complete dogís breakfast....and at this stage I donít know when weíll be connected. Iíll have access intermittent access at work, etc, but it will be sporadic. Good for email and ACTS on my phone but not Vassal. Timingís probably not too bad because weíre bad because weíve split off into assemblies and I know Randyís availability is sketchy this week.

Iíll keep you updated.
187 11/21/2017 7:40:00 AM Turn 1 Agiad Message Brent, no harm done and no pedantry felt.

I would even say I'm glad you're there to point my mistakes.

Unfortunately I am incapable of playing solitaire and I often learn the game on the fly by making mistakes.

Thanks for your input about Entourage & Brain Trust. Live & learn.
186 11/20/2017 5:27:00 PM Turn 1 Demagogue Message Sorry for the garble....iPhone fingers and predictive text :(.

I was trying to say I didn't expect you to go back and redo your hand, Thierry.

I think you might have discovered the down side to using the Brains Trust. Not only does it severely limit your debating ability the following turn (you get what you draw, maybe good but almost certainly bad, too) but it means you don't get to form an Entourage....a double whammy.

The Entourage is a really cool mechanism. The most obvious use is as a rubbish bin for bad cards you don't want and an emergency debating boost with the Brains Trust. What's not so obvious is that it can be used to reserve good cards you want to save for later turns. One example might be one of those strong War/Peace cards......you may not want to go to peace on the turn you draw it but maybe forcing peace in a couple of turns will win you the game and reserving it to guarantee you have it when you need it is a big bonus. The Athenian deck has some strong cards whose bonuses are conditional on being at war or being the controlling faction or Alcibiades being in Athens (from memory the Spartans don't have these sorts of cards?). I reserved a coupe of these from last turn, when I didn't qualify to get their bonuses, but knew that we were going to war and that at some stage I would become controlling faction (which happened straight away, although it probably won't last long thanks to Aristophanes).....I now qualify to use them this turn and was able to draw them into my hand.

Another cool strategic wrinkle in what is turning out to be a very clever and engaging design.
185 11/20/2017 4:34:00 PM Turn 1 Demagogue Message Thierry, on the political decks, itís no big issue and Ieadmr pressing for you to redo the last one. Iím sorry if some of my posts sound pedantic....thatís not my intention. Itís all about learning the details of the game. Iíve played a bit solo but this is my first 4 player game and itís a learning curve in itself. I think the difficulty is compounded by the awkwardness of the Vassal interface and PBEM. Stuff that would be obvious on the table and picked up by other players (like unshuffled cards) is easy to miss on Vassal, and going back to fix it isnít nearly as quick and easy. I think weíll be running much more smoothly by next turn.
184 11/20/2017 9:23:00 AM Turn 1 Demagogue Message Athenian Assembly folders set up and first Boule issue selected
Aristocrats up, Randy
183 11/20/2017 7:03:00 AM Turn 1 Agiad Message Mike : issue 1 selected
182 11/20/2017 7:00:00 AM Turn 1 Agiad Message Looks like my 80 file wasn't taken into consideration so I still have my cards from before Mike's discard.

It's not a big deal I think so I propose we move on (believe me I would be more than happy to redraw)

Boule is up.
181 11/20/2017 6:36:00 AM Turn 1 Eurypontid Message Cards drawn, entourage set, bonus honor gained.
180 11/19/2017 4:19:00 PM Turn 1 Aristocrats Message Cards drawn, and Entourage placed.
179 11/19/2017 6:18:00 AM Turn 1 Agiad Message OK. I put my cards back into the deck and will wait for Mike to do his Entourage before doing my card draw.
178 11/18/2017 3:04:00 PM Turn 1 Demagogue Message Thanks gents.

I've created the Political Decks and done my draw and Entourage. Randy, when you've done your draw and Entourage we're ready to split off for our assembly.

There are still a bunch of Spartan Strategos that need to be discarded to bring the logs into line.

I'll move all the turn 1 logs into their own folder.
177 11/18/2017 8:03:00 AM Turn 1 Aristocrats Message Cards pulled.
176 11/18/2017 5:26:00 AM Turn 1 Demagogue Message Not quite right, Thierry. Mike's unwanted Entourage castoffs should have been in the draw pile for you to draw :).....but close enough.

Mike, your Entourage is the three cards you put aside......Brain Trust is if you draw one randomly to boost your leader card's value in a debate.

I'm the only one so far keeping Entourage cards for this turn's hand. Randy, if you're not keeping any of your cards, I can do the next file to keep my cards, reshuffle both decks and do my draw. If you are keeping any of them, you just need a quick log to pull them into your hand.


175 11/17/2017 3:15:00 PM Turn 1 Agiad Message Brain Trust yes.

Correction is done
174 11/17/2017 3:07:00 PM Turn 1 Demagogue Message Thanks, Thierry. Sorry, I didn't understand what you meant in the log text when you said that you used your Entourage last turn. I didn't see the logs of your assembly phase. Do you mean you used your Brains Trust? (makes no difference, just curious)

I think you might need to go back and redo your card draw, because if I'm seeing correctly I don't think you've reshuffled the deck from last turn? (all the previously played cards are still sitting in the Spartan discard pile).

There's an automated button for doing this in the Auto Functions menu, which is easy, but I don't think we can use this, because it would shuffle everyone else's Entourages back into the decks. I have some cards I want to keep from my Entourage this turn. So I think the best way to do it is for each player to do a log to discard cards they don't want from their Entourage and to put the ones they do want into their hands. The decks can be manually reshuffled then by returning each card individually from the discard back to the deck. After that we can go to card draw.
173 11/17/2017 3:57:00 AM Turn 1 Agiad Message T2 started.

Mike still has to discard his Strategos for the military issues and (maybe) for more honour.

Ostracism is on the table for both sides.

6 Strategos out of the pool.
172 11/16/2017 2:24:00 PM Turn 1 Demagogue Message Perfect, Thierry.

Two last jobs for the turn.......getting honour for Political Capital (we're out but looking at your Strategos pool, one or both of you must have enough left a Christmas bonus); and 1 Strategos needs to be permanently removed from both our pools for Ravages of War.

Just a bit of clean up of Will of the Assembly pawns, honour order counters, etc, and we're ready for the next turn's Aristophanes card, if you'd like to do the honours.
171 11/16/2017 8:13:00 AM Turn 1 Agiad Message Spartan redeployment done.

Athens may check it and we're good for turn 2
170 11/15/2017 8:02:00 PM Turn 1 Aristocrats Message As in, go for it, my Athenian colleague.
169 11/15/2017 8:02:00 PM Turn 1 Aristocrats Message Apologies, a busy few days. Go for it.
168 11/15/2017 6:06:00 PM Turn 1 Eurypontid Message I'm back in Okinawa, let me know what I need to do, I assume Thierry is handling the end of turn stuff
167 11/15/2017 2:50:00 PM Turn 1 Demagogue Message Randy, I hadn't heard back from you so in the interest of keeping things moving along I've done Delian and Athenian unit Redeployment. Hope that's okay.

Back to Sparta for Peloponnesian and Spartan unit Redeployment, then Will of the Assembly resolution, then we're done for the turn.
166 11/13/2017 3:23:00 PM Turn 1 Demagogue Message A dud Military issue in Athens and the theatre phase is complete. Well done, guys. We've almost completed a turn.

I've taken my honour hit for the ongoing war with Persia and have calculated maintenance for both sides....we're good there and nothing needs to be done.

We're up to Redployment and Delian and Athenian units are up first. I'd just like to briefly confer with Randy before going that.
165 11/13/2017 2:09:00 PM Turn 1 Aristocrats Message Diplomatic issue in Athens. I commit no strategos, so I believe nothing happens.
There is one more issue in Athens - must be my Demagogue allies.
164 11/13/2017 7:01:00 AM Turn 1 Demagogue Message I think we'll follow the advice of Pericles and stay behind the long walls. I'm sure you'd agree, Randy?

I've tidied up in Athens and revealed a Rumours in Sparta. Last issue resolution is in Athens for the Aristocrats.
163 11/13/2017 6:45:00 AM Turn 1 Agiad Message Athens is still up to decide for a land battle. Otherwise, Sparta is done.
162 11/13/2017 6:33:00 AM Turn 1 Aristocrats Message No commitment here.
161 11/13/2017 6:31:00 AM Turn 1 Agiad Message Spartan invasion on the way.

Randy may commit Strategos but I doubt it will change anything. Cowards will stay behind their walls.
160 11/13/2017 5:22:00 AM Turn 1 Demagogue Message Also, to save time I won't log a secret Strategos commitment in Athens, as you know from your raid that I have none left.
159 11/13/2017 5:18:00 AM Turn 1 Demagogue Message Thierry, for your League issue in Sparta, you can't build a red Spartan base, only a yellow League base. If you want a red base, you can convert a yellow base later with another League issue.
158 11/12/2017 3:16:00 PM Turn 1 Agiad Message 3d base built in Sparta.

Eurypontid is up with a military issue in Athens.
157 11/12/2017 3:05:00 PM Turn 1 Agiad Message Yes, I know about that rule. ;-) It was a typo. I drew Gerousia 20 which is a 2 card.
156 11/12/2017 12:48:00 AM Turn 1 Demagogue Message Home and able to access Vassal now.

The resolution of the Boeotian battle is correct, thanks, Thierry.

I think the next was your Agiad (?) flip, being a Military = a raid in Boeotia. A good choice but a slight error with the resolution. You do sacrifice 3 Strategos and get 3 honour but my Strategos loss as controlling faction of Athens is not 3 but the result of your card flip.....could be more, could be less (I'll actually lose that much honour instead because I have no Strategos left).

Both Athenian factions get bypassed now because we have no upright issues, so you're up next to resolve as the Eurypontids. You could resolve the raid card flip, reduce The Demagogues' honour, then go on to the Eurypontid flip for Mike, then you again for the Agiads (we'll just be spectators for a while :).


155 11/11/2017 2:17:00 AM Turn 1 Demagogue Message Sorry, have access to ACTS now but not Vassal until tomorrow. Thierry, I think that battle was the Eurypontid flip and it's actually Agiad next
154 11/10/2017 8:50:00 PM Turn 1 Agiad Message Corrected.

Please check my file and if it's correct I think Eurypontids are up.
153 11/10/2017 6:21:00 AM Turn 1 Demagogue Message Oops, Thierry. Lots of problems with that. I think you'll need to go back and change it.

You can't eliminate bases while there are still enemy units there. Our Athenian naval unit protects them (that's why we sent it there :). All you can eliminate is the land unit.

As winner of the land battle you can elect to proceed to a naval battle but there's no point. You must have naval units in the battle to eliminate enemy naval units (2 of yours to eliminate an Athenian naval unit). We saw that there were no paths by which you could get naval units into Boeotia, which is why we only needed to send the one brave Athenian ship there :). Its presence is enough to protect the bases.

Just in summary. To eliminate a base you must:

1. Eliminate all enemy units of any type in the theatre.
2. Have a higher total Strategos commitment at the battle than the enemy.
3. Have enough winning combat differential left over after eliminating enemy units (2 per base)
152 11/10/2017 5:29:00 AM Turn 1 Agiad Message Battle resolved and it's a sweep. I think Sparta may push for a naval battle correct ?
151 11/9/2017 6:48:00 PM Turn 1 Aristocrats Message 2 strategos revealed.
150 11/9/2017 3:14:00 PM Turn 1 Demagogue Message Demagogues revealed. No Strategos.
149 11/9/2017 7:54:00 AM Turn 1 Agiad Message Mike sent me a PM to resolve.

Athens may reveal.
148 11/9/2017 7:24:00 AM Turn 1 Agiad Message Agiad commitment is revealed. None.

Mike, if you don't have access to Vassal, you may give me your instructions to resolve.
147 11/8/2017 8:12:00 PM Turn 1 Aristocrats Message Commitment noted.
146 11/8/2017 5:42:00 AM Turn 1 Agiad Message Re-Subfolders
I'm not sure it adds clarity but I don't mind to use them if you guys think it helps.

Re-Cheating
ACTS may be used for cards & die rolling to prevent cheating. I still wonder why someone would cheat in the kind of game we're playing so let's keep the battle resolution like we did so far.
145 11/8/2017 5:39:00 AM Turn 1 Agiad Message Agiad commitment done.
144 11/8/2017 4:56:00 AM Turn 1 Demagogue Message Demos Strategos committed.

Also cleaned up with my Strategos debt from the League issue and removed the Ravages of War Peloponnesian land block casualty from play.

I'll make another folder for this battle....do you guys think that helps keep things ordered or is it unecessary?
143 11/8/2017 2:18:00 AM Turn 1 Eurypontid Message I started the battle of Boeotia Round 2...get your strats allocated!
142 11/7/2017 8:37:00 PM Turn 1 Aristocrats Message No problem at all, makes perfect sense.
141 11/7/2017 7:38:00 PM Turn 1 Demagogue Message ....and I forgot to spend my 4 Strategos o the League issue. I'll do it in my next turn.
140 11/7/2017 7:36:00 PM Turn 1 Demagogue Message Thanks guys. Battle in Boeotia resolved.

I've realised that it's impossible to tell whether a player is honest with card draws (is that what the dedicated game modules in ACTS are designed for?). The game's for fun and I don't know why anyone would cheat (even we dissembling Demagogues!) but if anyone knows a way to run the battles with greater transparency, I'm happy to go with it.

The Spartans were eligible to kill one of our land units....I've taken the liberty of making it the Athenian one, but by all means swap it out for the League one if you want to.

One thing I forgot is that with the Ravages of War rules, one of the yellow Peloponnesian land units needs to be permanently removed from play (50% of losses, rounded down). If one of you guys would be happy to take one out of the stock and move it off the board, that would be great, or I can do it in my next turn.

The other liberty I've taken, in the interest of time, is to do the Aristocrats turn. I'm sorry, Randy, I hope that's okay. The only issue that you were eligible to choose was my league issue in Boeotia, and as it would have had to come back to me to resolve I've skipped a step and done it.

So there Eurypontids are up next.
139 11/7/2017 5:55:00 PM Turn 1 Agiad Message Re - Waiting

I'm in the middle of both your respective time zones so I would be able to do it if needs be.
138 11/7/2017 5:53:00 PM Turn 1 Agiad Message I revealed my Strat commitment & corrected some stuff in the Isthmus.

Mike can tell us how many Strat he committed without the need for Vassal I guess.
137 11/7/2017 4:51:00 PM Turn 1 Demagogue Message Re - waiting.

Thanks Thierry. I've had the same experience as you and I'm enjoying this game, so wanted to avoid it petering out and failing. It would be nice to see it through to conclusion.

The only issue I can see with one player taking over another's moves, whether by Phormio or direct control, is inability to access that player's hand, particularly for Strategos. It also wouldn't work at all in the Assembly phase....but we can see how it goes.

I did mention to Randy earlier my interest in doing segments of the game in real time. Two of us could polish off a whole assembly phase in 15 or 20 minutes. I realise it's extremely unlikely all four of us would ever be awake and available at the same time, but I imagine we could manage an entire theatre phase in 30 or 40 minutes, which would really keep the momentum of the game going.....nearly impossible (Mike and I are only a couple of hours apart but there's a major timezone spread with the rest) but something to think about if the stars ever align.
136 11/7/2017 4:22:00 PM Turn 1 Demagogue Message Thanks Randy.

I've revealed and moved units. When both Spartan commitments are revealed I'll resolve it.

Interestingly I was on when Randy submitted his log and it hadn't appeared in my Dropbox for the 20 minutes or so before I went to bed. We've encountered this before and I think there's some lag in items appearing in other players' Dropboxes if we all happen to be on at the same time. It was there when I woke up this morning, fresh and ready for battle :)
135 11/7/2017 8:11:00 AM Turn 1 Agiad Message About waiting :

Most of the multiplayer PBEM games I've done over the years have failed exactly because of this situation.

As long as the game is in motion, everything is fine even if sometimes it slows down a little. And this game mechanics are not fast playing friendly.

But as soon as there's a stop, it's very difficult to put the game back into motion.

As I said below, I don't mind using Phormio or giving instructions about the strategy to my partner for resolving issues.

It's not a competitive game, I'm playing it more as a learning experience and I don't mind not being 100% accurate on how the game evolves.

The current situation is also rather straightforward. I'm pretty sure of what Mike would do with the remaining issues to be resolved. Sparta doesn't (yet) suffer from internal conflicts (to my knowledge at least) and I don't think it would be difficult to continue.
134 11/7/2017 8:05:00 AM Turn 1 Aristocrats Message I see it in Dropbox - 67d in the Boeotia battle folder.

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