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499 7/21/2018 11:11:00 PM Turn 1 Demagogue Message Actually....I juts wanted too clarify.

I think some of the committed Strategos hasn't been discarded. Thierry, I don't think you discarded your 5 Strategos for your Military Expedition to Amphipolis? And Randy, do you still owe the 3 Strategos from the battle of Boeotia? I'm up to date and I'm pretty sure Mike is too.

I think it's going to be important to know accurate numbers for the last Athenian action.
498 7/21/2018 6:55:00 PM Turn 1 Demagogue Message Demos done. Oracle at Corinth.

Aristocrats up

497 7/21/2018 11:24:00 AM Turn 1 Agiad Message Done. Demagogues up.
496 7/21/2018 4:59:00 AM Turn 1 Demagogue Message Sorry, I misspoke there. For a neutral or friendly controlled theatre, where there will be no battle, only the Military issueís owner can commit Strategos, so Mike canít contribute to this....it will be your expenditure alone, Thierry.
495 7/21/2018 3:51:00 AM Turn 1 Demagogue Message Thierry, because Amphipolis is a neutral theatre, only you and possibly Mike will be contributing Strategos, so it doesnít need to secret..... the amount you commit will be relevant, though, as your routes to the north are now obstructed and youíll have to commit enough troops to try to get through.
494 7/21/2018 3:40:00 AM Turn 1 Agiad Message I committed my strategos
493 7/20/2018 7:11:00 PM Turn 1 Eurypontid Message Thierry, your military in Amp


492 7/19/2018 9:10:00 AM Turn 1 Demagogue Message Eurypontids next. Itís disorientating when a faction flips their colleagueís issue, as Thierry did with Mikeís Oracle.

Eurypontid-Agiad-Demagogue-Aristocrat....but weíre almost done for this turn...the honour orderís going to change significantly next turn.
491 7/19/2018 8:15:00 AM Turn 1 Aristocrats Message I think Agiads are next, but I'm confused on turn order.
490 7/19/2018 8:13:00 AM Turn 1 Aristocrats Message Two land units built in Naupactus.
Next was a Rumor in Corinth.
489 7/18/2018 4:25:00 PM Turn 1 Demagogue Message Demagogues next. I donít have Vassal access so could you please flip and resolve Naupactus for me, Randy? (think itís your issue insnycase). Then itís your turn as Aristocrsts.
488 7/18/2018 9:47:00 AM Turn 1 Aristocrats Message Agiad is next, right?
487 7/18/2018 7:09:00 AM Turn 1 Eurypontid Message done with the oracle!
486 7/16/2018 7:35:00 PM Turn 1 Demagogue Message I'm off 4 days now.

I'm happy for Randy to flip my next issue after Mike has resolved the Oracle....I'll do Naupactus.
485 7/16/2018 9:35:00 AM Turn 1 Agiad Message Eury up for Oracle
484 7/16/2018 7:00:00 AM Turn 1 Eurypontid Message Military in Sparta done
483 7/15/2018 1:24:00 PM Turn 1 Demagogue Message Thanks Mike.

Battle of Boeotia resolved. All the details are in the log. Mike and Randy, don't forget to discard your spent Strategos in your next logs.

Think Euros are up next.
482 7/15/2018 3:16:00 AM Turn 1 Demagogue Message Thanks Randy.

That's 8 Strategos total for us and I've moved units.

Thierry has already revealed his Strategos commitment so if you can just let me know your commitment, Mike, I'll resolve the battle
481 7/14/2018 9:08:00 PM Turn 1 Aristocrats Message 3 from me.
480 7/14/2018 5:35:00 PM Turn 1 Demagogue Message Guys, in 48 hours I'll be heading off for 4 days for a quick school holiday mini-break. I'd hoped to have this battle in Boeotia wrapped up before then so that you guys could keep on going without me.

Just need to know how much Strategos you committed, Randy (you can physically reveal it later in your next log).

When I know that and have moved units I'll need Mike's Strategos commitment.

If we haven't been able to resolve it before I go away it will need to go into a holding pattern until I'm back.
479 7/13/2018 12:20:00 PM Turn 1 Demagogue Message Thanks, Thierry.

Thought you might have been lost in World Cup disappointment (if you're a football fan....disappointed myself as I thought Belgium were the pick of the last 8).

I'm not going to look at your revealed Strategos commitment if I can avoid it.....remember that the defenders shouldn't reveal their Strategos commitment until the attacker has revealed and moved his units.

I committed 5 which I'll reveal when I do the log. Randy, how many Strategos did you commit? When I know the total I'll do unit movement.
478 7/13/2018 5:39:00 AM Turn 1 Agiad Message Sorry for delay guys.

Committed & revealed.
477 7/9/2018 10:06:00 AM Turn 1 Demagogue Message Sorry Thierry....just a nudge. Waiting on your secret Strategos commitment before we move on to resolve this battle.
476 7/6/2018 9:29:00 AM Turn 1 Aristocrats Message Done
475 7/5/2018 7:36:00 PM Turn 1 Demagogue Message Military expedition to Boeotia....everyone need to make their secret Strategos commitment
474 7/5/2018 8:53:00 AM Turn 1 Aristocrats Message Brent, your Military in Boeotia is next.
473 7/4/2018 8:25:00 AM Turn 1 Demagogue Message ...proceed in Mike's absence
472 7/4/2018 8:25:00 AM Turn 1 Demagogue Message Rumours in Sparta

Aristocrats up

Let's finish the turn and we'll decide how to priced in Mike's absence
471 7/4/2018 4:05:00 AM Turn 1 Agiad Message Rumours in Chalcidice. Demagogues next.
470 7/3/2018 7:37:00 PM Turn 1 Demagogue Message Thanks Mike. Good to hear you and your family are okay.

End of the month should see us through to the end of this turn if we move it along.

We don't want to bump you but could we just clarify what you think will be happening? Is it something like a couple of months you'll be offline or do you think you will be dropping out completely....I wouldn't ask somebody else to take your spot temporarily, only if they would take over to play the rest of the game.

Thierry, Agiads up next.
469 7/3/2018 6:24:00 PM Turn 1 Eurypontid Message I'm still here till the end of the month. We had a Typhoon Monday (just a little one, no damage) and the kids kept me away from the computer. I flipped some rumors in Sparta
468 7/3/2018 5:40:00 AM Turn 1 Agiad Message Seems ok to me.
467 7/2/2018 9:15:00 PM Turn 1 Demagogue Message Yes, thanks Randy, that was mine. The theatre issues can be identified by the colour bands on them, same as the cards.....purple for me, blue for you.

Resolved the Diplomatic and up to Euro draw.

We haven't heard from Mike and it's possible he's already offline. I don't want to bump him out but it sounded like he wasn't in a position to play again in any reasonable timeframe?

It wouldn't work for the rest of the game, Thierry, but we're in a position where you could draw and resolve the Euro issues for the rest of this turn.....you should be able to work out how much Strategos the Euros have by adding up the discards, your pool, and the Ravages of War discards, and subtracting that from 26.

I'll enquire to see if there's somebody who can pick up next turn, when we can rebuild the game like last turn so that they can join. A mate in Poland, Michal, is a keen player and I've played a PBEM game of Pericles with him before. He may be willing to take it up if that's acceptable to both of you.


466 7/2/2018 9:48:00 AM Turn 1 Aristocrats Message Revealed a Diplomatic in Boeotia. I think that's yours, Brent. Is there a way to tell who the owner is?
465 7/2/2018 8:51:00 AM Turn 1 Agiad Message A replacement would be great but I would have thought nobody would be interested.
464 7/2/2018 8:43:00 AM Turn 1 Demagogue Message Demos done.

Aristos up
463 7/2/2018 8:37:00 AM Turn 1 Demagogue Message Another alternative is that we find a replacement. I know a couple who might possibly be interested.

Mike, it sounded from your last message like you might be out for good. Is that the case?
462 7/1/2018 12:18:00 PM Turn 1 Agiad Message Sorry for delay.

Rumours in Thessalia.

I see 2 options, both of them meh. Either I play alone or we kill the game.
461 6/30/2018 7:53:00 AM Turn 1 Demagogue Message I think you're up, Thierry.

Thanks for the heads up on your availability, Mike.

Thierry, I don't know what you want to do if Mike is out indefinitely.
460 6/28/2018 8:51:00 AM Turn 1 Eurypontid Message Somehow I got the colors backwards...Base built, new file.

Guys, I am moving back to the old USA and I expect the movers are going to take our stuff around July 25 and I won't have a computer for a long time after that...
459 6/27/2018 10:03:00 AM Turn 1 Agiad Message Mike I think it's your chit. ;-)
458 6/26/2018 8:42:00 AM Turn 1 Eurypontid Message thierry League issue!
457 6/25/2018 10:46:00 AM Turn 1 Aristocrats Message Useless League in Amphipolis revealed, without effect.
Back to the Eurypontids.
456 6/25/2018 7:09:00 AM Turn 1 Demagogue Message Rumours in Athens.

Aristocrats up
455 6/25/2018 7:04:00 AM Turn 1 Agiad Message Rumours in Aetolia. Demagogue up.
454 6/23/2018 7:40:00 PM Turn 1 Demagogue Message Mike, that Military in Sparta cost you 1 Strategos, minimum. You always have to stump up at least 1 Strategos for a Military issue, even if you want to cancel it.
453 6/23/2018 6:31:00 PM Turn 1 Eurypontid Message Flipped a military in Sparta, Agiad is up

Mike
452 6/22/2018 11:01:00 PM Turn 1 Demagogue Message Thanks Randy.

If I'm not mistaken that's the last issue to be placed?

So on to resolution...first up Eurypontids.
451 6/22/2018 7:09:00 PM Turn 1 Aristocrats Message Done.
450 6/21/2018 4:06:00 AM Turn 1 Demagogue Message Its as actually Demos next

Placed in Boeotia

Aristocrats for last issue placement I believe

449 6/21/2018 4:01:00 AM Turn 1 Agiad Message OK got it. Sorry. Aristos next.
448 6/20/2018 6:19:00 PM Turn 1 Demagogue Message Thierry, the Eurypontids had to give you one of their markers to place because of the disparity in issues (Mike had 6, you had 4). There's a face down Spartan theatre chit on your side of the political track....I assume that's it.
447 6/20/2018 10:10:00 AM Turn 1 Agiad Message No more markers for me. I placed 4.
446 6/20/2018 7:51:00 AM Turn 1 Eurypontid Message OK, done, Thierry did you get the marker I set aside for you? I think I still see it on the map?
445 6/17/2018 3:41:00 PM Turn 1 Aristocrats Message Back to the Eurypontids.
444 6/15/2018 6:40:00 PM Turn 1 Demagogue Message Aristocrats up
443 6/15/2018 2:53:00 AM Turn 1 Agiad Message Demagogues next
442 6/14/2018 6:28:00 PM Turn 1 Demagogue Message Sorry, I could have made that easier to follow by placing the honour order markers. I've done an addendum to Mike's last log with the Honour Order counters placed.
441 6/14/2018 9:48:00 AM Turn 1 Aristocrats Message Wrong again. Agiad, then Demagogue, then Aristocrats.
440 6/14/2018 9:37:00 AM Turn 1 Eurypontid Message Placed. Aristo
439 6/13/2018 6:53:00 PM Turn 1 Aristocrats Message Back to the Eurypontids.
438 6/13/2018 6:02:00 PM Turn 1 Demagogue Message We had 1 left in the pool so it must be 9.
437 6/13/2018 12:49:00 PM Turn 1 Aristocrats Message How many do I collect?
436 6/13/2018 12:40:00 PM Turn 1 Demagogue Message Demos Issue 3 placed.

Aristocrats next.....don't forget to collect your Strategos from the pool before we get to issue resolution, Randy.
435 6/12/2018 3:35:00 AM Turn 1 Agiad Message Agiad before Demagogue. Done.
434 6/12/2018 2:59:00 AM Turn 1 Eurypontid Message done..aristos are go
433 6/10/2018 8:19:00 PM Turn 1 Aristocrats Message Back to the Eurypontids.
432 6/7/2018 5:48:00 PM Turn 1 Demagogue Message Issue in Corinth.

Aristocrats up
431 6/7/2018 3:28:00 PM Turn 1 Agiad Message Demagogues next.
430 6/7/2018 12:54:00 PM Turn 1 Aristocrats Message Agiads are next.
429 6/3/2018 4:11:00 AM Turn 1 Eurypontid Message Done
428 6/2/2018 9:31:00 AM Turn 1 Aristocrats Message Back to the Eurypontids.
427 6/2/2018 8:42:00 AM Turn 1 Demagogue Message Demagogue issue placed.

Aristocrats up.

That's great, Thierry. I'm jealous. Bet your perspective and understanding of the game has changed after all that play.
426 6/2/2018 7:26:00 AM Turn 1 Agiad Message Demagogues are next.

In the last few weeks I had the chance to play 3 FtF 4 player games.

With this insight I see our game very differently. ;-)
425 6/1/2018 5:23:00 PM Turn 1 Demagogue Message Mike, I forgot. I think you and the Agiads have uneven issues (Eurypontid 6, Agiad 4)? That means you'll need to give one to to Thierry.
424 6/1/2018 2:10:00 AM Turn 1 Eurypontid Message OK, I placed my thing!
423 5/30/2018 7:50:00 PM Turn 1 Demagogue Message That's okay, Mike.

The plan had been for you to set up for the theatre phase as first in honour order but I've done it to move things along, if that's okay. Did it from the last Spartan debate log. File is 406 Theatre Prep and you're first to place an issue.

Theatre issues assigned, honour counts adjusted for we Athenians. For personal setup I've discarded my hand, collected my won Strategos and put my issues in my hand. You'll need to do the same when you first log, Randy (we had 1 left in the pool so the rest is yours....I've already given you your Strategos from the Strategy Board).

I made a mistake calculating honour order, as the Agiads are still one up on the Demagogues. So it will be:

Eurypontid-Agiad-Demagogue-Aristocrats
422 5/30/2018 9:13:00 AM Turn 1 Eurypontid Message Hey all, sorry for the delay we went to Taiwan for the long weekend and a little more. Is there a final file we should be using to start placing chits? I'm a little confused..

421 5/24/2018 8:46:00 AM Turn 1 Demagogue Message Sorry for the wait, guys. Athenian assembly done.

Looks like honour order will be Eurypontid-Demagogue-Agiad-Aristocrat

As first in honour order we should go from the Spartan log. Could you please update it with the following?

- Aristocrat won issues - 2 x League, 1 x Military
- Demagogues won issues - 1 x Oracle, 1 x Diplomatic, 1 x Military
- Honour scores - Aristocrats 18, Demagogues 22
Control and favour remain with the Aristocrats so don't need to be adjusted.

We'll do our discards and collect our Strategos when we next log.

I'll put the Spartan assembly logs in a separate folder to tidy up if that's okay.

First issue placement when that's all done is the Eurypontids, Mike.



420 5/19/2018 3:26:00 AM Turn 1 Demagogue Message Thanks guys.

Sorry, slowish going at our end. Into debate 4. We'll hopefully be finished soon.
419 5/18/2018 4:05:00 AM Turn 1 Agiad Message Sparta is done.
418 4/28/2018 2:20:00 AM Turn 1 Demagogue Message Thanks guys.

Good to pair off for the assemblies. I'll be in touch, Randy, to see if we can tee up a live session (although school holidays and a heavy work schedule may delay it a bit).
417 4/27/2018 2:31:00 PM Turn 1 Aristocrats Message Hand drawn, entourage made. I can see my leader card again, which is nice. Many thanks, Brent.
416 4/27/2018 7:34:00 AM Turn 1 Eurypontid Message OK, I drew my hand and such! Sorry if I've held it up, I didn't notice we were back on track. Thanks for setting it back up all!
415 4/24/2018 5:17:00 PM Turn 1 Demagogue Message Thanks, Thierry. Because the game state is all on the board, it's quite easy to reconstruct it manually if the decks break (which it looks like they're prone to). We could even do it routinely each turn to keep it refreshed....the only awkward bit is cards kept from the Entourage but we're working on an honour system anyway.

Demagogue hand drawn and Entourage formed. I've labelled it 402 (this might be an easy designator to keep the turns sorted.....501 next turn, etc).

When you've done yours, Mike and Randy, we'll be ready for the assembly.

Brent.
414 4/24/2018 1:58:00 PM Turn 1 Agiad Message Thanks for doing all this Brent.

Without your help the game would have stopped long ago.

I've let go of my Entourage & drew my new hand + new Entourage.

Anybody can follow.

413 4/23/2018 2:52:00 AM Turn 1 Demagogue Message ...and sorry I checked back and realised you had an extra honour from your Political capital, Thierry, which had gotten lost in the mess. I've updated he Save file to fix that and I've tided up the Dropbox by putting all the Turn 3 logs in their own folder, except for the last one so it's easy to access to check against the reboot log.
412 4/23/2018 2:24:00 AM Turn 1 Demagogue Message Okay, it was easier than I thought.

I've uploaded a Save log called Turn 4 Reboot to the Dropbox. It was quicker and easier than I thought. I've copied the game state as it was in the last log, including all pieces, Ravages of War discards, assembly state, Aristophanes discards and the current card, Wasps A. I've also drawn the Entourage card I'd saved to my hand and Created Political Decks. This should give us fresh, bug free decks....for now. Good to know we can refresh like this when we need to.

Could everyone please check this file against the last log to see if I have it all right?

If we're good to go, you just need to draw through your deck for your saved Entourage card, Thierry, and reshuffle the others back into the deck....then we're each good to draw our hands.
411 4/23/2018 12:15:00 AM Turn 1 Demagogue Message So guys, I think the game's broken and and I don't know if it's retrievable. A shame because it was starting to get interesting. The module is good but very buggy and I think the chance of fatal glitches increases the longer the scenario.

I don't know what you want to do with it, Thierry. What we could try is to record the game state as is (number of units and where, honour, pieces out of play, Aristophanes cards in the discard pile, etc) and restart a fresh game, manually resetting it to the current game state. The only thing that Thierry and I would need to do is retrieve the card we've each saved from our Entourage (if you trust us to do it :). A bit of work but I think it's doable.....and we've put a lot of time and effort into the game so far...it would be a shame to have it end here because of technical problems.

If you're happy for me to try to do a reset, I'll give it a go.
410 4/21/2018 9:33:00 AM Turn 1 Demagogue Message Thanks Thierry.

We have a big problem. I've done a log and manually shuffled the Athenian discards into the deck because the Create Political Decks button wasn't doing it. I've drawn my hand and formed my Entourage but had to discard multiple cards because they're stuck face down. I've done a deck check off-log and 50% of the remaining Athenian cards are locked facedown cards and can't be flipped (there was only one last turn). I'd be interested to know if there's a similar problem with the Spartan deck.

I'm not sure if there's a point we can go back to where we can remedy this. If not it looks like a fatal glitch and I don't think this is viable for play.....very frustrating.
409 4/21/2018 3:25:00 AM Turn 1 Agiad Message Done that. But it looks like it's not working for the Athenian deck.
408 4/20/2018 11:12:00 AM Turn 1 Demagogue Message Ah yes. Thanks, Thierry. That's it. I thought it was a glitch.

Any card you want to keep from your Entourage has to go to your hand because anything on the board will go to the draw deck when we Create Political Decks. If you put it in your hand and then Create Political Decks, we should all be ready to draw.
407 4/20/2018 3:56:00 AM Turn 1 Agiad Message I'm sorry but I'm completely lost here.

I've decided to keep 1 card from my Entourage (the one in the nį1 spot)

I see no cards in other player's Entourage.

Do I have to move the card I want to keep in my hand ?

406 4/19/2018 8:31:00 AM Turn 1 Demagogue Message Actually, sorry, the glitch is in the Agiad Entourage. We might be able to fix it by going back to an earlier log (this would mean you guys having to discard your Strategos yet again!

I think I was the only one who kept a card from my Entourage? Technically, the Create Political Decks button should grab all cards from wherever they are on the board (so not ones you've returned to your hand like I have here) and shuffle them back into the decks......so technically if you decide to discard your entire Entourage you don't need to physically do it, just announce it, because the cards will be swept up in the Create Political Decks function. It should also find and automatically send your Leader back to your hand (you don't need to search for it).

That's the idea.......the module is buggy and getting buggier the further we go.
405 4/19/2018 8:16:00 AM Turn 1 Demagogue Message Thanks guys.

We seem to have another card glitch. I went to try to Create Political Decks at the end of Mike's log and there's still a facedown Spartan card in one of the Eurypontid Entourage slots. I've tried manually moving it back into the Spartan deck and can't. Mike or Thierry, could you try again, either manually moving that card into the draw deck of trying the Create Political Decks button yourselves?
404 4/19/2018 7:23:00 AM Turn 1 Eurypontid Message should be good now
403 4/19/2018 4:26:00 AM Turn 1 Agiad Message Mike, you still have 3 cards to unmask.
402 4/17/2018 6:03:00 PM Turn 1 Demagogue Message All yours, Thierry. You can create the Political Decks after you keep/discard Entourage cards and then you're free to draw your hand.
401 4/17/2018 11:32:00 AM Turn 1 Aristocrats Message Strategos back in pool.
400 4/16/2018 6:47:00 PM Turn 1 Demagogue Message The discard button for Strategos is wonky....sometimes works, sometimes doesn't. If you right click your Strategos pile, it will ask you how many Strategos you want to draw....choose the full amount (6?) and then drag the whole stack to the empty box to the right of your draw pile. You can then right click that whole stack again and choose the option to discard it to the pool.

Thierry, I think you might have discarded your Strategos in the alternate reality log you drew cards in, and I reset it? So you might be due Political Honour again?

I see there's a Spartan leader on the board. You won't have to do anything with that...the Create Political Decks button will automatically send all the leaders to players' hands from wherever they are, ready for assembly.

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