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213 12/17/2017 9:28:00 PM Turn 1 Allies Message OR.....
Play-off game in Beantown for all the marbles. No distractions. Steelers totally focused....BLOW-OUT win and on to the Souper Bowl. Don't believe me?
WHEN HAVE I EVER BEEN WRONG?
212 12/17/2017 9:16:00 PM Turn 1 Germans Message The only way this generation of the Steelers will ever make it to the Super Bowl is if someone else beats the Patriots and then the Steelers beat that team. Now we know why NE lost to the Patriots. Gronk was out. The steelers shut down the NE passing game all except Gronk today just like Mia did and without Gronk Brady had nowhere to go. The Steelers hand no answer.
211 12/17/2017 9:11:00 PM Turn 1 Germans Message That's it. Until this generation of players and coaches are around Brady/Belicek Big Ben/Tomlin I am done watching the Steelers try and beat the Patriots. It just can't be done and leads to nothing but heart break and anguish. The Steelers won the game in all aspects except that they could not guard Gronk. To lose like that. Unfucking believable. It wasn't the TD that was not called back. It was the correct call. It is a literal interpretation of a shitty rule. That game reminded me of the super bowl where the Seahawks lost to NE. I am beginning to believe that either god is a patriot fan or they have a deal with the devil and whenever they need to call in a big favor it just happens.
210 12/16/2017 6:06:00 PM Turn 1 Allies Message Sounds good Dave. Iíll send you my outline before then, I think it could be useful for quick reference.
209 12/16/2017 6:02:00 PM Turn 1 Germans Message That's right you told me you were booked the rest of the day. That is why we need to write down where we placed our markers on the map. Lack of short term memory. LOL I am thinking 11:15 or so tomorrow. That will give us a couple of hours.
208 12/16/2017 5:13:00 PM Turn 1 Allies Message Sorry Dave, out tonight, but literally any time tomorrow, can start as early as you want.
207 12/16/2017 4:17:00 PM Turn 1 Germans Message Looks like I can play a bit tonight, Sunday. Does 6:30ish work for you.
206 12/16/2017 11:37:00 AM Turn 1 Germans Message I am ready early if you are. Post back otherwise I will call at 9.
205 12/16/2017 10:25:00 AM Turn 1 Allies Message Yeah, thatís good for 2 players, I need to refine the whole chit placement routine.
204 12/16/2017 10:06:00 AM Turn 1 Germans Message Sounds good. I will call at 9. Which scenario do yo want to try? A replay of the battle one that we did on Monday?


203 12/15/2017 11:04:00 PM Turn 1 Allies Message If 9 AM works for you give me a call and Iíll be ready to go.
202 12/15/2017 10:52:00 PM Turn 1 Germans Message Just about anytime after say 8am. Nothing big planned.
201 12/15/2017 8:10:00 PM Turn 1 Allies Message Dave, what time is good for you tomorrow? Also, I'm making a procedure chart for Pericles. I'll send it to you when I'm done. It should flatten the learning curve a little bit.
200 12/15/2017 12:57:00 AM Turn 1 Allies Message Hey Dave,
I might be out Saturday morning, but if I am will be available the rest of the day. I should no more by tomorrow afternoon and will shoot you an email. Pats looking very beatable after Miami fiasco.
199 12/14/2017 10:39:00 PM Turn 1 Germans Message Hi Rob:

I may be able to work some more practice in this weekend if you are available. Saturday looks like the better of the two. Sunday is the big game vs the evil empire Patriots for my Steelers.
198 12/12/2017 11:32:00 PM Turn 1 Allies Message Dave,
Picked up a couple of errors. When you play a Military event to build units it still costs 1 Strategos, I built them for free.
Also, Sparta does not get Hostages for killing Athenian ground units, only Athenian Fleets. Otherwise it looks like we played it petty cleanly, especially for a first try!
197 12/12/2017 11:51:00 AM Turn 1 Allies Message I will definitely be taking notes, I don't trust my age-related memory crap. We also need to figure out exactly what we can discuss with each other and what we can't. We can't say, "hey I need 3 Strategos for this one", but apparently "knowing glances" are OK...
196 12/11/2017 10:26:00 PM Turn 1 Germans Message The one thing that we can't do is look at the chits once they are placed face down. The vassal module lets you look at your sides chits. Of course we can write down what is where as a note to ourselves when we play with the physical board.
195 12/11/2017 10:13:00 PM Turn 1 Allies Message Agree Dave. I definitely needed to get some fleets out to prevent my bases from getting eliminated in the land battles. But lots of stuff to learn for sure. Also agree that this will be excellent prep for Game On. I have lots of flexibility in my schedule, give me a little lead time and I can set up some more VASSAL almost anytime.
This looks like another Herman masterpiece with essentially unlimited replay ability. The chit queue is brilliant!
194 12/11/2017 8:25:00 PM Turn 1 Germans Message Impressions from our battle scenario? I don't think it designed to be balanced, I think I read somewhere that was not the idea behind the training scenerios, but rather a first feel at resolving the tactical theater. I think the Spartans would be heavily favorited the way the scenario is set up. My impression is that there is a LOT of depth to the game in both the political and tactical aspects especially the unfolding of the issues on the tactical board. I can see where the best laid plans will go for naught but that is war. LOL So far I like it and this practice is really going to pay off come Game on timeframe.

As for later in the week to give it another go I will have to play it by ear. Back to work Tue-Fri of this week and then Mon-Wed of next and maybe on a partial day next Thursday. Then I have the next 10 days off and am not planning any big trips so definitely should be able to get some sessions in.

193 12/11/2017 11:05:00 AM Turn 1 Germans Message Ok; 9:30 it is. I will call you.
192 12/11/2017 11:01:00 AM Turn 1 Allies Message Can do at 9:30 if that works for you.
191 12/11/2017 10:55:00 AM Turn 1 Germans Message How about 9am on this Morning. Monday for the Battle of Central Greece. Have a few more things on the honey do list but will be done by then.

190 12/10/2017 7:01:00 PM Turn 1 Allies Message Steep learning curve for sure Dave, but playing it a few times wlll get it all sorted. In a few weeks we will be playing the Campaign game where we each take a faction on both sides. We will know this thing cold by Game On!
189 12/10/2017 6:39:00 PM Turn 1 Germans Message Watching football and looking at the Battle for Central Greece trainer. I think I have the mechanics down the but permutations on how to place the chits and the order they are resolved in is mind numbing. Need to stop looking or I will get over analysis paralysis.

I think the best way to practice the this is for one of us to place markers for the Spartans and the other the Athens side.

I guess I can try the Spartan's although we can probably switch sides and play it twice.
188 12/9/2017 2:48:00 PM Turn 1 Allies Message Yeah, I always like to bust her chops with questions like: What was the Civil War like Ma?
187 12/9/2017 2:24:00 PM Turn 1 Germans Message Sounds good. I will give you a ring at 12. WOW 102; I bet she has seen a lot in her lifetime.

The vassal module works ok for what we need it for which is learning.
186 12/9/2017 12:41:00 PM Turn 1 Allies Message Gotta take Mom shopping this morning. Every Saturday without fail. She had her 102nd birthday Thursday, so I have to be nice to her....
Sunday at noon sounds excellent! I think that is ďThe Ostracism of Thucydides. Just the Political Phase. There are a bunch of one turn scenarios that should get us into the game pretty quickly. I bought this game when it came out, and never got the kids interested. Really psyched to finally play it!
185 12/9/2017 11:36:00 AM Turn 1 Germans Message I am not an expert by any means and my ability/knowledge is limited to the Assembly phase at this point. I think I get how you then place the markers on the theater but that is where I am right now in the rules. As for strategy (LOL) You have got to be kidding. Mechanics come first. I don't have the playbook yet as I don't the game in hand. Should be here on Monday or Tuesday. There is one scenario that focuses on the assembly phase aspect. Which one is it? Lets give that one a shot.

I have unlimited set monthly long distance as part of my phone/internet package so I can make the connection and it wont be anymore.

My wife is out to breakfast with a friend this morning so have until 11 or so if you want to give it a crack. Or Sunday about noon?

I am messing with the vassal module online right now.
184 12/9/2017 11:20:00 AM Turn 1 Allies Message ....or Monday, if thatís better for you. At this point asking my wife what day it is has become commonplace. The dark side of retirement!
183 12/9/2017 11:18:00 AM Turn 1 Allies Message That was quick Dave! It took me 2 weeks to get through the rules, and I still know nothing about strategy.
More Christmas lights? That electric bill is going to delay your retirement.
Sunday sounds great. Youíre going to have to walk me through hooking VASSAL up so we can play in real time. What time do you want to start? My land line is 541-685-0610.
182 12/9/2017 11:09:00 AM Turn 1 Germans Message I have been reading Pericles rules. I think I have a good handle on the assembly phase and am ready to give it a test go. We could hook up vassal via the internet and do a phone conversation to play through it. I suggest we play both sides of either Athens or Sparta.

I am going to do some more Christmas light decorating in the afternoon on Saturday, Not a whole bunch going on Sunday and Monday is my last day of the year off so will be at home.

What works for you.
181 12/7/2017 9:33:00 PM Turn 1 Allies Message Markís Pericles video is a great way to learn the flow of the game Dave. Make sure to watch the full length one.
Also, you vs. ANY bot is a slam dunk. With about a billion possible hands no bot can be as devious as a human. I think the hots should have fixed hands, makes it easier to program, and possibly a more robust opponent.
180 12/7/2017 8:50:00 PM Turn 1 Germans Message I have been watching Mark Herman's video from last year on how to play Pericles. The mechanics seem reasonable but to know what to do at the right time is the trick. That is the case with many of Mark Herman's games. The learning curve is high but it is worth it once you get it like EOTS.
179 12/7/2017 8:48:00 PM Turn 1 Germans Message On the EOTS AI it is going to be tough to make it smart enough to beat a very good player I would think without make the flow charts so complicated that it may not be worth it. I am not a big fan of bots. I like to play a real person. I know sometimes it is tough to find live opponents but ......

Unless I get horrible DR's I think I could pretty much clean the Bot for EOTS. Maybe I am cocky LOL
178 12/7/2017 8:44:00 PM Turn 1 Germans Message I have heard the last name Pei from some of the WBC reports. His brother, james I think it is, loses a game about as often there is a total solar eclipse in the US which is almost never. I think Nick is no slouch either.
177 12/7/2017 8:09:00 PM Turn 1 Allies Message FTP Tournament Report
Game 1. Guy never moves, will probably default

Game 2. Nick Pei. This guy wins tournaments. Iím barely hanging on after a lucky move that let me extend the game. Very poor prognosis in this one.

OK, break from Arnhem sounds reasonable. Just name the game Dave, Iím up for whatever... or we can wait for your first run through on Pericles and try to figure out the VASSAL module. Definitely works for 2 players!
176 12/7/2017 8:04:00 PM Turn 1 Allies Message Hey Dave,
Good news on Pericles! The VASSAL module does look involved, but Iím sure we can pick it up with a few plays.
So here's my thoughts on Arnhem: Fun game, but hopeless subject. This thing NEVER had a chance. The game is fun, but heavily dependent on bridge rolls. Whatís with Nijmegen? It was primed to blow, the Brits just got lucky! Indestructible bridges are just in the game for play balance. This game should have been the whole West Front, giving AP the option to direct supplies and the airborne south to Patton. That is a game I want to play!
No news on EOTS tourney that Iíve heard, we are currently playing the AI, and trying to make it more responsive. But that guy was pretty certain it would happen
175 12/7/2017 6:39:00 PM Turn 1 Germans Message Pericles headed by way. Picked it up for 60 including shipping from ebay.

Should we talk a break from Holland 44. What else do ya got or try one of our old favorites.

Have you head anything else on the EOTS tourney? I decided not to join the Ftp one. I can relive it via your stories. You will either get some newbie or some expert who will hand you your head quickly. LOL
174 12/7/2017 4:10:00 PM Turn 1 Allies Message He was literally my next door neighbor when it happened. Al Toon was on the other side of me, and his career ended after a vicious hit. Football has never been the same.....
173 12/7/2017 3:58:00 PM Turn 1 Germans Message I am familiar with some of the Dennis Byrd story. It is very similar to what happened to Shazier.
172 12/7/2017 3:47:00 PM Turn 1 Germans Message This game is finicky as hell. I now see it in the rules. 1AB is screwed. 101st could have landed ok but not in the hex that I did. There are 2 DZ C hexes and one of them is not your ZOC. 82nd Arty hex is occupied by one of your units.

Let me think about I am getting a bit frustrated with starting over again and again. It takes a LONG time to do a turn especially as the allies.

I have started with the pericles rules and downloaded the vassal module although I have not got it to function very well yet. Wow is it a complicated module.

I should go ahead and spring for it. I think I can pick it up for around 60 including shipping. It will give me something to do over the week between Christmas and New Years. Boeing shuts down that week and I am not travelling anywhere.
171 12/6/2017 11:07:00 PM Turn 1 Allies Message Dave, see 22.2.1, landing on Turn 3 is much more restrictive. They have to land on or adjacent to designated DZ. Thatís why Iím sitting in them. Landing 1 AB or 82nd is Suicide.
As you were not aware of this I recommend a redo. Also, tell me when you have read Pericles and we can play some on VASSAL. We need to be prepared as these two might be ringers!
Shazier is supposed to be doing better. Remind me to tell you my Dennis Byrd story over that beer....
170 12/6/2017 10:24:00 PM Turn 1 Germans Message File up. 5 attacks
169 12/6/2017 9:51:00 PM Turn 1 Germans Die roll request Request: 6-sided die x 1

4


Message from Germans:
Bridge at 4919
168 12/6/2017 9:41:00 PM Turn 1 Germans Message Now there was some shitty DR's for drops. LOL
167 12/6/2017 9:40:00 PM Turn 1 Germans Die roll request Request: 6-sided die x 2

2
5


Message from Germans:
Arty and other unit in DZ-a

DR1 unit
DR2 Arty
166 12/6/2017 9:39:00 PM Turn 1 Germans Die roll request Request: 6-sided die x 2

6
4


Message from Germans:
2 101AB units in DZ-A2
165 12/6/2017 9:37:00 PM Turn 1 Germans Die roll request Request: 6-sided die x 1

4


Message from Germans:
The more I play this one the more I think it comes down to pure luck with the dice. 2 of the units lose a step and are scattered and the 3rd is scattered. Pretty much ruins any offense hopes that I had this turn and for the rest of the game with 1AB.

DR1 82AB ARty in O
164 12/6/2017 9:32:00 PM Turn 1 Germans Die roll request Request: 6-sided die x 3

6
6
5


Message from Germans:
Here are my drop rolls.

DR1 156/4P/1
DR2 11/4P/1
DR3 10/4P/1

All landing in LZ-S
163 12/6/2017 7:53:00 PM Turn 1 Allies Message Will be there with game! Nice job Dave.
162 12/6/2017 7:37:00 PM Turn 1 Germans Message We have a 4th for Pericles on Thursday morning at 10am at Game on. I guess I better read the rules. I assume you are bringing your copy?
161 12/5/2017 10:06:00 PM Turn 1 Allies Message UGH! I need tanks and arty!
File up for your turn.
160 12/5/2017 9:17:00 PM Turn 1 Germans Die roll request Request: 6-sided die x 2

5
4


Message from Germans:
Here are your traffic roll to see which ones get eliminated.
159 12/5/2017 9:14:00 PM Turn 1 Germans Message Eng at C. I would not ask for a whole lot more. Post your loss and then I will adjust the file and put it up to drop box.
158 12/5/2017 9:13:00 PM Turn 1 Germans Die roll request Request: 6-sided die x 1

2


Message from Germans:
A1/Eng at B. Post which step you want to lose and I will update.

C 2-1
157 12/5/2017 9:11:00 PM Turn 1 Germans Die roll request Request: 6-sided die x 1

2


Message from Germans:
1/1 and hold. Post which step you want to lose for the A1/DR result and then I get to pick a 2nd step for the DD. My unit loses 1 step. Bloody there.

B 1-1
156 12/5/2017 9:09:00 PM Turn 1 Germans Die roll request Request: 6-sided die x 1

4


Message from Germans:
A1/DR; I am going to try and hold with at DD. +1 for elite unit.
155 12/5/2017 9:07:00 PM Turn 1 Germans Die roll request Request: 6-sided die x 1

4


Message from Germans:
A 2-1
154 12/5/2017 8:56:00 PM Turn 1 Germans Message Yeah that game was uncalled for bad sportsmanship on both sides.
153 12/5/2017 6:13:00 PM Turn 1 Allies Message Thanks Dave, I threw him up North. Hey, speaking of throw-up, remind me to NEVER watch those two teams play against each other again. WTF? This sport is in serious trouble...
File up (.vsav)
152 12/4/2017 8:09:00 PM Turn 1 Allies Message Dave, modem died. Replacement due tomorrow. Enjoy game, will re-evaluate as soon as modem shows up.
151 12/4/2017 7:34:00 PM Turn 1 Germans Message Looking at the file now. You forgot to move one of the 3F guys up north. It is down by Helmond. Where do you want him? Send a static file.

Going to watch the Steelers clinch my beer tonight.
150 12/3/2017 9:30:00 PM Turn 1 Allies Message 3 attacks Dave, file up.
149 12/3/2017 8:42:00 PM Turn 1 Allies Message Removing all your ENG markers
148 12/3/2017 8:41:00 PM Turn 1 Allies Die roll request Request: 6-sided die x 3

5
1
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Message from Allies:
405th Gresh, Kemp, Arty
147 12/3/2017 8:31:00 PM Turn 1 Allies Message No worries Dave. Will get a move up later tonight. Still celebrating after watching unstoppable JETS needing only 9 plays to pound it into the Chief's End Zone.....from the Chief's 5 yard line. Playoff Bound!
146 12/3/2017 7:32:00 PM Turn 1 Germans Message File up for your turn. Sorry is it a vsav as I forgot to start a log. :(
145 12/3/2017 6:40:00 PM Turn 1 Germans Message You were correct on BH B. 2-1. Result stands. I will do my advances in a bit. I have been hanging Christmas lights all day.

I did post Pericles and we have picked up a 3rd so far. I assume you are good for Thursday morning.
144 12/3/2017 1:54:00 PM Turn 1 Allies Message Another DS, lots of advances to do, no breakthrough combats though.
File up and back to you.
143 12/3/2017 1:52:00 PM Turn 1 Allies Die roll request Request: 6-sided die x 1

5


Message from Allies:
DS

Finally E 7-1
142 12/3/2017 1:50:00 PM Turn 1 Allies Die roll request Request: 6-sided die x 1

6


Message from Allies:
ENG

D 7-1
141 12/3/2017 1:49:00 PM Turn 1 Allies Die roll request Request: 6-sided die x 1

2


Message from Allies:
A1/DR I'll retreat and reduce your 3 step unit (which you can change)

C 2-1
140 12/3/2017 1:46:00 PM Turn 1 Allies Die roll request Request: 6-sided die x 1

4


Message from Allies:
B 2-1
139 12/3/2017 1:46:00 PM Turn 1 Allies Message Dave, B looks like a 2-1 as I am doubled and you are halved attacking over the canal. I'll roll it, let me know if I am wrong.
138 12/3/2017 1:42:00 PM Turn 1 Allies Die roll request Request: 6-sided die x 1

5


Message from Allies:
Rolling N-S
A 4-1
137 12/3/2017 1:41:00 PM Turn 1 Allies Message Sounds great Dave. If we get some takers its a go. What else should we have as a back-up? EAA?
136 12/3/2017 11:13:00 AM Turn 1 Germans Message Periclies post for 10am-6pm on thursday. I posted it as us having read the rules but had not played yet. Lets see if someone else is interested. I assume you will be up and ready to go by 10am on thursday.
135 12/2/2017 9:35:00 PM Turn 1 Germans Message Ok; File up.
134 12/2/2017 9:19:00 PM Turn 1 Germans Message Nope; Stays dirputed
133 12/2/2017 9:18:00 PM Turn 1 Germans Die roll request Request: 6-sided die x 1

1


Message from Germans:
Roll to see if unit at 3709 becomes undisrupted
132 12/2/2017 9:10:00 PM Turn 1 Germans Die roll request Request: 6-sided die x 1

6


Message from Germans:
Bridge at 4621
131 12/2/2017 9:01:00 PM Turn 1 Germans Message I am going to risk it and not drop in the AM so that I can drop 8 in the PM.
130 12/2/2017 8:48:00 PM Turn 1 Germans Message Cloudy and Clear. Now I have to make a decision. I hate that. LOL
129 12/2/2017 8:47:00 PM Turn 1 Germans Die roll request Request: 6-sided die x 2

3
3


Message from Germans:
Weather for turn 3. Both rolls are -1

DR1 AM
DR2 PM
128 12/2/2017 8:41:00 PM Turn 1 Allies Message That went nowhere fast!
File up for next turn and big weather rolls!
Pericles looks very deep, I got it when it came out and still have not actually played it. It looks GREAT, so someday...
You should look over the rules, and see if you are drawn in. I would however, play it before buying it.
127 12/2/2017 8:29:00 PM Turn 1 Germans Message A1/Eng at E. You get to pick a loss.

File up for your losses and potential advance in one spot.
126 12/2/2017 8:28:00 PM Turn 1 Germans Die roll request Request: 6-sided die x 1

2


Message from Germans:
A1/DR at D. I will retreat 2 and become disordered. You get to pick a loss and then advance if you like.

E 1-1
125 12/2/2017 8:23:00 PM Turn 1 Germans Die roll request Request: 6-sided die x 1

5


Message from Germans:
Engaged at C

D 1-1
124 12/2/2017 8:22:00 PM Turn 1 Germans Die roll request Request: 6-sided die x 1

3


Message from Germans:
A1 at B. You have options for your loss.

C 1-1
123 12/2/2017 8:20:00 PM Turn 1 Germans Die roll request Request: 6-sided die x 1

1


Message from Germans:
Good start for you at A EX. My units are idenfical so will flip one for you. I will flip Spindler for your loss.

B 1-1
122 12/2/2017 8:18:00 PM Turn 1 Germans Die roll request Request: 6-sided die x 1

4


Message from Germans:
A 1-1
121 12/2/2017 7:16:00 PM Turn 1 Germans Message Let's hope I roll a bunch of low number on all those 1-1's. Heading out to run some errands and then dinner. Will roll them in awhile.
120 12/2/2017 6:57:00 PM Turn 1 Allies Message Some weak attacks..
File up shortly
119 12/2/2017 6:54:00 PM Turn 1 Allies Die roll request Request: 6-sided die x 2

4
2


Message from Allies:
Traffic
118 12/2/2017 6:51:00 PM Turn 1 Germans Message You are correct on the traffic hex. Not a big deal

I have been reading up on Pericles. It gets great reviews but the one caution is that it is very deep and it takes quite a bit of effort to play well. Sounds like EOTS.

In your reading of the rules is it worth picking up?
117 12/2/2017 6:49:00 PM Turn 1 Allies Die roll request Request: 6-sided die x 1

2


Message from Allies:
Bridge at 3006
116 12/2/2017 6:16:00 PM Turn 1 Allies Die roll request Request: 6-sided die x 5

1
4
5
2
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Message from Allies:
406th
115 12/2/2017 6:13:00 PM Turn 1 Allies Message Moved him back Dave.
Also, those guys down south had to stop there advance in the traffic hex ((24.2). I'll move them back.
114 12/2/2017 5:33:00 PM Turn 1 Germans Message Your guy at 5911 moved 1 hex to many last turn. He moved 3 vs 2 allowed by TM.

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