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527 5/23/2018 3:20:00 AM 1809-1810 Prussia Message i dont understand where is the problem since i played and spoke last.check the order:5:02 AM britain event-(5:43-5:44 AM) france 9cps-6:41 AM prussia duke.you wrote(I still say BS to the intended timing of Prussia’s play)what you expect for me;be always online and between 5:43-5:44 interfere and play a response;sorry i can not do that.i would accept your argue if you played 5cps waiting for response.anyway lets clarify some things for further play.i play a card and there are no responses after me can i change it;can i take duke back;if i had send to denmark can i say to spain;i think i can so why we discuss it;what other players say;i mentioned 6.1 for 9cps simultaneous play.i think that Prussia would not have played Duke if an event was used to restore the pact.
526 5/22/2018 5:54:00 PM 1809-1810 France Spain: Change Nation Owner to Neutral Message from France:
Let’s move on.

Spanish units outside regroup, with Soult and 2FR from Granada.
525 5/22/2018 5:53:00 PM 1809-1810 France Return Strategy card to hand #5: 4 / Serbian Revolt

Message from France:
I still say BS to the intended timing of Prussia’s play. “For Spain” is certainly not the same as actually stating “after first card play”. And Prussia knows he would have claimed it played after the BR event if a FR event was used to restore pact.

But after thinking about this further, while I still say my cards are played simultaneously (imo my choice of which to pick up), the CP expenditure is not simultaneous— the pact marker needs to move two spaces by CP expenditure which are distinct (unless by event).
524 5/22/2018 5:38:00 PM 1809-1810 France Message I’m failing to grasp how 6.1 is relevant. The argument is whether the 9 CPs are piecemeal card plays, not that the Duke is a permissible event once the pact was broken.

So confirm that Prussia would not have played Duke if an event was used to restore the pact?
523 5/22/2018 6:28:00 AM 1809-1810 Prussia Message check this about the events rules 6.1 An event occurs by playing a card or Reserve and declaring the
event instead of using its CPs. Events can even be played against
Allies regardless of Camp status. The event prevails when contradicted
by the normal rules of play with the single exception
that a nation may never conduct two consecutive Impulses, even
if an event would allow this. If two events contradict, the last
one played prevails – even if that contradiction is questionable.
522 5/22/2018 4:09:00 AM 1809-1810 Prussia Message on second thought and at 3+6cps duke can be played.spain has to change tracks to become ally.
521 5/22/2018 3:49:00 AM 1809-1810 Prussia Message i said i will wait for franch response i did not say i will wait for franch to finish or that i will not interfere.i said i play the card to spain and at entry 512 i clarified when.although i think is obvious we all play cards when there is a use of them. iam not always online to play my cards between other players turn and it was only one min between franch two cards play.i agree that you can announce to play 2 cards together at diplomatic track but part of them can be cancellled see metternich card(voids up to 5cps of just-spent buys).my opinion when you play 9 cps 5+4 to diplomatic track you place spain to partner+1 and then to pact.at partner+1 i played my response.i would not play my response if you had used 3+6 cps.
520 5/21/2018 5:25:00 PM 1809-1810 France Message “In any order” does not preclude simultaneous play. I do not recall a game where I’ve seen a player make two distinct card plays for the 9CPs, but rather always throw out two cards at the same time for the total. Anybody ever play a game where a player puts down one card at a time, waiting for a response in between?

Even so, Prussia states he waited for France response; France response was 9 CPs, which repacts Spain. Prussia did not play Duke and indicate it was between card plays until after coaching from Britain - which indicates Prussia played it either before or after France’s play, not during. Had Prussia played the card and written at the time that he was playing it in between the two card plays, would have at least been believable.

Does Austria or Russia want to weigh in?
519 5/21/2018 1:00:00 PM 1809-1810 Prussia Message if i played after British event france would save the spain with 11cps.so i waited for france response.
518 5/21/2018 12:43:00 PM 1809-1810 Britain Message IMHO the phrasing of 5.12 (3rd sentence) "...in any order..." means that the play of a card and a Reserve is made in succession and not simoultaneously
517 5/21/2018 12:23:00 PM 1809-1810 France Message I would argue that the 9 CPs are played at once to save the pact, not as a piecemeal play of cards. I’ve never heard of or seen in face-to-face play where a saving of a pact is considered interruptible two actions.

Also, Prussia/Turkey would not know if France was going to save Spain via CPs or event. If event, then the Duke play would be pointless, and so that response only makes sense to be played immediately after BR’s event.
516 5/21/2018 11:39:00 AM 1809-1810 Prussia Message after First french play.franch First played imperial guard so can take back serbian revolt.
515 5/21/2018 11:02:00 AM 1809-1810 Britain Message Enghien can only be played either after Britain played RM or after the first French card play:in the latter case France can return Imperial Guard to hand
514 5/21/2018 6:41:00 AM 1809-1810 Prussia Turkey: Play Strategy card as Event #102: 2 / Duke d'Enghien Affair
No Power may join the Imperial Camp in the next Interphase. All Consuls on an Imperial nation's row of the Diplomatic Track not already in Pact status move one box to the left. If the Consul is in +1 status, it is also flipped to its normal side. Unlike other diplomatic events, this may be played during the first round of 1805.

Message from Prussia:
for spain
513 5/21/2018 5:49:00 AM 1809-1810 Britain Message anyone has Metternich?
512 5/21/2018 5:44:00 AM 1809-1810 France France: Play Strategy card as Operations #5: 4 / Serbian Revolt
Turkish Formations may not exit Turkey while this event is in play. Those outside Turkey Regroup. Any unspent odd CP of a Turkish Neutral build is used to attempt to end this Foreign War instead of placing the +1 CP marker. The +1 CP marker, if already in play, is removed. Add #1 to all attempts to end Turkish Foreign Wars (but not the Serbian Revolt) while this event is in play.

Message from France:
For Spain
511 5/21/2018 5:43:00 AM 1809-1810 France France: Play Strategy card as Operations #904: 5 / Napoleon
If Napoleon is present, you may commit the Imperial Guard after seeing all other battle dice. Roll four more battle dice. Besides inflicting hits, rally a disrupted French Unit for each "4" rolled by the extra dice. Only Napoleon's presence at some point during the battle is required, not his well-being. RESERVE

Message from France:
For Spain
510 5/21/2018 5:02:00 AM 1809-1810 Britain Britain: Play Strategy card as Event #53: 6 / Royal Wedding
Move any Consul two boxes on Diplomatic Track. Not applicable to Turkish Consul. May break Pact status. Not playable in 1805.

Message from Britain:
on Spain
France may react
others may then counter-react
509 5/21/2018 4:50:00 AM 1809-1810 France Message France done, Britain up
508 5/21/2018 2:01:00 AM 1809-1810 Britain Message Flag overrun
France may continue
507 5/21/2018 2:00:00 AM 1809-1810 Britain Die roll request Request: 6-sided die x 2

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Message from Britain:
second round Britain
506 5/21/2018 2:00:00 AM 1809-1810 Britain Die roll request Request: 6-sided die x 10

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Message from Britain:
second round France
505 5/21/2018 1:59:00 AM 1809-1810 Britain Die roll request Request: 6-sided die x 3

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Message from Britain:
Britain
504 5/21/2018 1:59:00 AM 1809-1810 Britain Die roll request Request: 6-sided die x 12

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Message from Britain:
France
503 5/21/2018 1:59:00 AM 1809-1810 Britain Die roll request Request: 6-sided die x 2

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Message from Britain:
retreat
502 5/20/2018 3:05:00 PM 1809-1810 France Message 4-5) Lisbon Soult w/3FR & 2SP to La Mancha, leaving 1FR behind
6) Soult w/3FR and 3SP to Grenada

BR may react or roll
11 vs 3

501 5/20/2018 2:59:00 PM 1809-1810 France Message that was meant to be 4k including Blake, not "and Blake"
500 5/20/2018 2:59:00 PM 1809-1810 France Message Blake sucks...and dies a horrible death charging the guns alone.

I assume no further response from AU/RU?
2k, 5d vs 4k (and Blake), 2d

FR lose 1, SP loses 2, Blake elim
AU and RU lose 1 each, and retreat to Zagreb

499 5/20/2018 2:56:00 PM 1809-1810 France Die roll request Request: 6-sided die x 2

1
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Message from France:
Hero
498 5/20/2018 2:56:00 PM 1809-1810 France France: Play Strategy card as Event #97: 3 / Hero
After seeing all Battle dice, select any one leader (with the owner's consent) who has not already been eliminated by a 6 to roll two dice to alter the battle outcome thus: 6 - eliminated enemy Unit, 5 - disrupt enemy Unit, 4 - rally friendly Unit, 1 - eliminate that leader, Doubles - may also void Rout.

Message from France:
Let's see if Blake can be a Hero....
497 5/20/2018 2:55:00 PM 1809-1810 France Message 3k, 2d

FR ahead 7 vs 5
496 5/20/2018 2:54:00 PM 1809-1810 France Die roll request Request: 6-sided die x 19

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Message from France:
2k, 5d

AU/RU 19
495 5/20/2018 2:53:00 PM 1809-1810 France Die roll request Request: 6-sided die x 25

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Message from France:
Dalmatia, 25 vs 19

FR 25
494 5/20/2018 1:23:00 PM 1809-1810 Austria Message Austria will fight,France may roll after battle card commitment..
493 5/18/2018 3:31:00 AM 1809-1810 Russia Message Austria to decide.
Russia did what it could
492 5/17/2018 4:11:00 PM 1809-1810 France Message 1 FR and 2 SP die on the road

FR/SP now 25 dice
491 5/17/2018 4:10:00 PM 1809-1810 France Die roll request Request: 6-sided die x 23

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Message from France:
Attrition

Last 5 are Spanish
490 5/17/2018 3:50:00 PM 1809-1810 Prussia Message france 18 spain 5 dice i think
489 5/17/2018 3:40:00 PM 1809-1810 Prussia Message britain one advice.next time before you play continental system fails ask your allies if they will help you or they will go for vacations to plague and stockholm
488 5/17/2018 3:39:00 PM 1809-1810 Prussia Message britain one advice.next time before you play continental system fails ask your if they will help you or they will go for vacations to plague and stockholm.
487 5/17/2018 3:34:00 PM 1809-1810 Prussia End Foreign War #18: 5 / Continental System Fails

Message from Prussia:
486 5/17/2018 3:30:00 PM 1809-1810 Russia Russia: Play Strategy card as Event #39: 3 / Stragglers
A moving, intercepting, evading or retreating Formation suffers Attrition in the space it has just entered and in each additional space it enters this Impulse. Once played, the affected Formation may not retract its move.

Message from Russia:
on nappy. roll attrition
485 5/17/2018 10:44:00 AM 1809-1810 France France: Play Strategy card as Operations #905: 6 / Guerre de Course
One or two unblockaded (not Refitting) French Squadrons move Offboard to raid commerce. See Offboard Fleets on the Battleground display. British card losses never include Reserves or exceed Minimum Hand limits in the Interphase, but may include Resources. RESERVE

Message from France:
1-3) Nap, w/Davout and Massena lead Blake, 4SP and 15FR to Dalmatia

I have it as 28 vs 19 (Charles, Ferd, Barclay with 9AU and 4RU, rough)
484 5/17/2018 10:42:00 AM 1809-1810 France Message 4.5) build squadron Copenhagen
Waste last 1.5 CPs

Danes done

CSF ends as Coalition controls only 6 sea zones.
Great play Britain (and the unexpected support via Turkey) but your allies failed to take advantage.
483 5/17/2018 1:27:00 AM 1809-1810 Britain Message No
482 5/17/2018 12:13:00 AM 1809-1810 France Denmark: Play Strategy card as Operations #90: 6 / Russia Mobilizes
Russia places six Units in any one friendly Home space.

Message from France:
.5) Squadron to Skag

BR reaction?
481 5/16/2018 4:01:00 PM 1809-1810 Russia Message denmark etc
480 5/16/2018 4:01:00 PM 1809-1810 Russia Sweden: Draw Extra Strategy Card Message from Russia:
479 5/16/2018 4:01:00 PM 1809-1810 Russia Sweden: Play Strategy card as Event #909: 5 / Fanatic Defense
You have three CPs. All Swedish Formations in their Home Duchy ignore disruption in any battle during this Turn. OR Draw a card. RESERVE

Message from Russia:
draw a card
478 5/16/2018 3:59:00 AM 1809-1810 Russia Message I dont have the map with me.
Wait for tonight
477 5/16/2018 3:58:00 AM 1809-1810 Russia Sweden: Change Nation Owner to Russia Message from Russia:
476 5/16/2018 1:55:00 AM 1809-1810 France Message 3-4) build 1SP La Mancha

Sweden up
475 5/16/2018 1:14:00 AM 1809-1810 Britain Die roll request Request: 6-sided die x 2

1
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Message from Britain:
Interception
474 5/16/2018 12:57:00 AM 1809-1810 France Message Squadron retires to Galicia

1.5) Other Galicia squadron to SAO

Lol - just remembered I should have tried to evade. This time, if found, will try to evade. Go ahead and roll if intercept/evasion/combat.
473 5/16/2018 12:51:00 AM 1809-1810 Britain Die roll request Request: 6-sided die x 6

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Message from Britain:
Britain
472 5/16/2018 12:51:00 AM 1809-1810 Britain Die roll request Request: 6-sided die x 1

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Message from Britain:
Spain
471 5/16/2018 12:41:00 AM 1809-1810 France Message no cards from me; go ahead and roll it
470 5/16/2018 12:11:00 AM 1809-1810 Britain Die roll request Request: 6-sided die x 2

3
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Message from Britain:
Interception
469 5/15/2018 11:58:00 PM 1809-1810 Prussia Turkey: Play Strategy card as Event #100: 3 / Frigates
Place a Squadron of any nation in a Zone of that's nation's controlled Port by placing this card in that Zone with a Flag. If blockaded, interception can be attempted. Thereafter, it is treated as a normal Squadron of that nationality except that it has no dice in combat. It is removed and the card returned to the deck when sunk or returned to Port. A Prussian/Austrian Squadron has an evasion dice roll modifier of 0.

Message from Prussia:
britain place a sqadron at Ionian sea
468 5/15/2018 11:37:00 PM 1809-1810 France Spain: Play Strategy card as Event #44: 3 / Fleet in Irons
Void a Maneuver, evasion or interception by any one Fleet or Grand Fleet (even after making/failing an evasion/interception dice roll). Any Maneuver used is expended and that Fleet must pay double for further Maneuvers in this Impulse. A voided evasion does not penalize that Fleet in battle for a failed evasion attempt.

Message from France:
void the BoB interception

2M) SAO squadron to MAO

BR reaction?
467 5/15/2018 11:27:00 PM 1809-1810 Britain Die roll request Request: 6-sided die x 2

6
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Message from Britain:
Interception
466 5/15/2018 10:57:00 PM 1809-1810 France Spain: Play Strategy card as Operations #11: 4 / Great Redoubt
Halve disrupts against you. Enemy must retreat after one round unless you are routed or eliminated.

Message from France:
1M) 1 squadron from Galicia to BoB

BR intercept?
465 5/15/2018 3:36:00 AM 1809-1810 Prussia Message yusuf with four units to nis.
464 5/15/2018 3:35:00 AM 1809-1810 Prussia Turkey: Draw Extra Strategy Card Message from Prussia:
463 5/15/2018 3:35:00 AM 1809-1810 Prussia Turkey: Play Strategy card as Event #911: 5 / Ottoman Turks
You have CPs equal to a die roll. Turkish Units cannot be disrupted in the first round of any battle fought in this Impulse. OR 1 CP and draw a card. RESERVE

Message from Prussia:
462 5/15/2018 3:34:00 AM 1809-1810 Prussia Prussia: Play Strategy card as Operations #38: 2 / Boarding Action
Convert an enemy Squadron eliminated in this battle to a Squadron of the opposing Fleet's color in Regroup if it has a Squadron available to build.

Message from Prussia:
unit to berlin
461 5/15/2018 3:34:00 AM 1809-1810 Prussia Message coalition lost the opportunity to take three keys.ok france will win.
460 5/15/2018 1:26:00 AM 1809-1810 Prussia Message nothing from me
459 5/14/2018 7:55:00 PM 1809-1810 France Message Prussia - if you're able to Metternich, I'll offer to knock Sweden down a box further before it gets back to Russia again. Would much rather see Sweden in your hands....
458 5/14/2018 4:27:00 PM 1809-1810 France Message Nothing from me
457 5/14/2018 3:21:00 PM 1809-1810 Russia Message sweden to russia pact. uless of course someone has metternich.
waiting.
456 5/14/2018 3:20:00 PM 1809-1810 Russia Russia: Play Strategy card as Operations #907: 6 / Holy Mother Russia
If Russia is not a Subject Neutral or in a Foreign War AND no enemy Forces are in a Russian Home Duchy: • draw two cards and play one of them, OR • Roll a die and gain a Resource if you roll less than the current Turn number. Otherwise, build Units equal to the roll. RESERVE

Message from Russia:
for sweden
455 5/14/2018 3:20:00 PM 1809-1810 Russia Russia: Play Strategy card as Operations #86: 3 / Patriotic Fervor
Select any nation without a card to draw a card from the deck.

Message from Russia:
for sweden
454 5/12/2018 1:31:00 PM 1809-1810 Austria Austria: Play Strategy card as Operations #17: 4 / The Weather Gauge
Automatically intercept an enemy Fleet in your Zone at no cost with no possibility of evasion. Each of your Squadrons throws an additional battle die in the ensuing battle. OR: Automatically evade (even after failing an evasion dice roll) and enter any friendly Port in that Zone or exit that Zone (unless offboard) without interception.

Message from Austria:
2 units in prague
453 5/9/2018 12:57:00 PM 1809-1810 France Return Strategy card to hand #905: 6 / Guerre de Course

Message from France:
Nuts
452 5/9/2018 1:20:00 AM 1809-1810 Britain Britain: Play Strategy card as Foreign War #18: 5 / Continental System Fails
Preemptions are not allowed while the Coalition controls 7 Zones. Discard when the Coalition fails to control 7 Zones at the end of any Impule. If played by a Neutral when the Coalition does not control 7 Zones, the event is unplayable and the card is used as 5 CPs.

Message from Britain:
Once more Britain comes to my allies rescue
And if I 'm not mistaken I see Venice, Milan and Zurich quite inadequately garrisoned.
451 5/8/2018 11:58:00 PM 1809-1810 France France: Play Strategy card as Operations #905: 6 / Guerre de Course
One or two unblockaded (not Refitting) French Squadrons move Offboard to raid commerce. See Offboard Fleets on the Battleground display. British card losses never include Reserves or exceed Minimum Hand limits in the Interphase, but may include Resources. RESERVE

Message from France:
Surprise (or not) - France preempts....

1-3) Nap, w/Davout and Massena lead Blake, 4SP and 15FR to Dalmatia

I have it as 28 vs 19 (Charles, Ferd, Barclay with 9AU and 4RU, rough)
450 5/8/2018 12:38:00 AM 1809-1810 Austria Draw Strategy cards Dealt 3 to Austria
449 5/7/2018 5:07:00 PM 1809-1810 France Draw Strategy cards Dealt 1 to Denmark
448 5/7/2018 5:07:00 PM 1809-1810 France Draw Strategy cards Dealt 2 to Spain
447 5/7/2018 5:05:00 PM 1809-1810 France Draw Strategy cards Dealt 7 to France
Dealt 1 to Sweden
446 5/7/2018 4:14:00 PM 1809-1810 Prussia Draw Strategy cards Dealt 3 to Turkey
445 5/7/2018 4:13:00 PM 1809-1810 Prussia Draw Strategy cards Dealt 3 to Prussia
444 5/7/2018 4:13:00 PM 1809-1810 Russia Draw Strategy cards Dealt 3 to Russia
443 5/7/2018 3:10:00 PM 1809-1810 Britain Draw Strategy cards Dealt 3 to Britain
442 5/7/2018 3:08:00 PM 1809-1810 Britain Message Moore and 1 SP in London
London stack to Cornwall
441 5/6/2018 11:54:00 PM 1809-1810 France Message SP:
2 units build Madrid
Blake pu 2 Madrid, 1 Oporto, 1 Barcelona, end in Salzburg

SW:
build 1 in Stockholm

DN:
build 1 in Copenhagen

FR:
build 7 Paris, Ney
Nap pu 2 Paris, 1 Munich, Massena and 4 Venice, return to Salzburg
440 5/6/2018 10:41:00 AM 1809-1810 Prussia Message 4 units to berlin.blucher with 6 to hesse.2 units to constantinople yusuf with 2 to sofia
439 5/5/2018 12:51:00 PM 1809-1810 Russia Message build barclay + 2 units in moscow
pickup unit from kiev and grodno.
move to dalmatia with charles

pr,tu next
438 5/4/2018 10:48:00 PM 1809-1810 Austria Message Build 4 units in Vienna
Redeployed Ferninand and 4 units in Dalmatia with Charles.
Russia is next
437 5/3/2018 2:45:00 AM 1809-1810 France Message Austria for builds n deploy
436 5/2/2018 1:06:00 AM 1809-1810 Prussia Message i will stay neutral.i pray for peace in europe.
435 5/1/2018 10:43:00 PM 1809-1810 France Message You're technically the one to make the offer, I'm just letting you know with certainty an offer I would accept. For Russia, I know there's the attrition and regroup - but a conquest of Austria would be 1-5 keys (depending if you grabbed the associates), plus resource, and France would lose their two Austrian keys in the process. Pretty sure that would give Russia the die roll for next turn - I don't see how I could improve on that offer. And I doubt Austria wouldn't be conquered without Russian support.

Prussia - name your price if you can think of one; I've attempted to make generous offers. Between the Austrian associates and Russia being out of position to defend both north and south thrusts, you have potential upside. I can certainly reposition a good general/army to help protect Prussia from a quick thrust at Berlin - like I said, feel free to name your price.
;-)
434 5/1/2018 12:44:00 PM 1809-1810 Russia Message I dont think it is a good offer.
I will suffer attrition and then regroup.
And then what?
sorry. I stay with my ..friends.

433 5/1/2018 11:03:00 AM 1809-1810 France Message Russia - I will let you be the one to flag Vienna (gain the conquest benefits) if you switch sides.
432 5/1/2018 3:03:00 AM 1809-1810 Austria Message Austria will stay with the Allies
431 4/28/2018 4:03:00 PM 1809-1810 France Message Oops, should have waited to advance turn. Don't draw cards yet....

Camps is next.

Austria first - I'll offer to return Venice, Salzburg and Linz if you switch.
430 4/28/2018 3:50:00 PM 1807-1808 France End Turn
429 4/28/2018 3:49:00 PM 1807-1808 France Die roll request Request: 6-sided die x 1

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Message from France:
Peace on a 5 or 6
428 4/28/2018 12:57:00 AM 1807-1808 Britain Message no card

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