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55 7/24/2018 12:07:00 PM Master ID = 23733 Game Deleted
54 7/24/2018 12:07:00 PM August 1914 Central Powers Message I don't concede anything. All I have learned is not to play games with you. I gave you opportunity to decide whether to play OOS warnings or not and you just played me for a fool.
53 7/24/2018 11:31:00 AM August 1914 Allies Message
I did not agree to the OOS rule to begin with because it SEEMED to me that doing so would mean I would have to babysit your supply lines. I didn't say anything because I couldn't believe that the rule was that ridiculous. Also, I think the rule says that both parties must agree to the OOS warning rule explicitly in writing before the rule can be enforced. I did not say anything so you have to operate under the assumption that the OOS warning rule is not in force.

So the way I see it, it's time for you to realize your mistake and learn from it and move on with the game. Or you can concede. I've been on the wrong end of this situation before. And I learned.

You had two armies permanently eliminated. It's not the end of the world. You'll probably be able to do the same thing to me at some point in the game.


52 7/24/2018 5:37:00 AM August 1914 Central Powers Message For your information, I did not put myself out of supply. You put me out of supply through movement. If I had put myself out of supply, you would need to give me an OOS warning and have me redo my turn. However in this case, you have put me OOS by your movement, not combat, which breaks the rule of engagement that I was operating under.

If I had known you weren't following this rule I would have closed those gaps in my line.

At this point there are three options: (1) you redo your turn so you don't put me OOS but issue a warning and agree to follow this rule for the rest of the game, (2) you redo your turn so you don't put me OOS for this one case allowing me a fair chance to adjust to the change in rules of engagement, or (3) we agree to disagree and go our separate ways, cancelling this game.
51 7/24/2018 1:34:00 AM August 1914 Central Powers Message I took the loss in Stanislaus knowing that you would need to give me a supply chain warning. If I hadn't taken the loss there you could have put me OOS without a warning.

The way I interpreted the rule, you have to give me a warning now and carry out your round without closing supply. If I haven't dealt with it by your next round, you can then cut my guys off.

If I had known you weren't going to give me a supply warning, I would have played differently. Now you have taken advantage of the situation. I tried to sort this out earlier in the game so we'd know where we stood.

PoG is about WWII which lasted over 4 years. I like to play the game so it has a chance of making it through to a historical outcome. However the harsh supply rules unbalance the game making that outcome very unlikely. Thus the adoption of the OOS warning.
50 7/23/2018 10:52:00 PM August 1914 Allies Message Did not want to be rude but wasn't sure how that rule was to be implemented. Would I have had to tell you NOT to take your losses on the corps at Stanislaw? Seems like it's the player's responsibility to watch his own supply line right?

How do you want to resolve this? Do you want to go back and take your losses with the Army at Lemberg?
49 7/23/2018 1:06:00 PM August 1914 Central Powers Message So this is the way that you tell me you aren't playing with the OOS warnings that I suggested?
48 7/23/2018 8:55:00 AM August 1914 Allies Message For my card play, I played the 3/Entrenchments card I played earlier when I had to repeat my move.
47 7/23/2018 2:33:00 AM August 1914 Central Powers Message I'll take both LN in Stanislaw. 4LN in Timisvar applied to the corps first.

Over to you to finish up your turn.
46 7/22/2018 10:36:00 PM August 1914 Allies Die roll request Request: 6-sided die x 1

6


Message from Allies:
SB 1 fires back with +1 drm
45 7/22/2018 10:34:00 PM August 1914 Allies Die roll request Request: 6-sided die x 1

2


Message from Allies:
Attack on Belgrade....
44 7/22/2018 10:28:00 PM August 1914 Allies Die roll request Request: 6-sided die x 1

3


Message from Allies:
3 RU at Tarnopol firing back...
43 7/22/2018 10:27:00 PM August 1914 Allies Die roll request Request: 6-sided die x 1

1


Message from Allies:
Attack on Tarnopol...no flank...straight 4 factors firing on the Army fire table
42 7/22/2018 11:01:00 AM August 1914 Central Powers Message Not a problem. I agree communications can be a problem. But at least there is a lot of time to study the rules.

I'll try to specifically say when I want to use flank attacks or not, but assume if I don't say I want to flank attack that I don't want to do so.
41 7/22/2018 10:49:00 AM August 1914 Allies Message Ugh! That's what I don't like about PBEM games. Potential for misunderstandings like this. Not to mention sometimes you get the rules wrong and no one to bring it up.

I thought I was trying to act in your best interest. Apologies. I'll have to do the next move tomorrow morning. It's almost 11 pm here.
40 7/22/2018 7:43:00 AM August 1914 Central Powers Message I didn't ask for you to resolve either of those attacks as Flank attack. I definitely wouldn't have used FA on Tarnopol so those should have been simultaneous. If I had gone for FA I would have eliminated the corps first meaning that I'd get to fire back on Army table. You need to resolve these attacks to the best benefit of your opponent.

Please do your turn again with this in mind. The attack on Tarnopol needs to be redone at least.


39 7/22/2018 6:53:00 AM August 1914 Allies Play Strategy card as Operations #12: 3 / Entrench
Place a Level 1 Trench (not improve a Level 1 to Level 2) in any space occupied by a supplied friendly Army. Both players may now entrench. Only one player may play this card as an event.

Message from Allies:
38 7/22/2018 6:19:00 AM August 1914 Allies Die roll request Request: 6-sided die x 1

4


Message from Allies:
AH Corps fires on Tarnopol
37 7/22/2018 6:16:00 AM August 1914 Allies Die roll request Request: 6-sided die x 1

6


Message from Allies:
RU 3 fires....
36 7/22/2018 6:14:00 AM August 1914 Allies Die roll request Request: 6-sided die x 1

3


Message from Allies:
Flank attack on Tarnopol....
35 7/22/2018 6:08:00 AM August 1914 Allies Die roll request Request: 6-sided die x 1

6


Message from Allies:
4 AH factors attacking Belgrade....
34 7/22/2018 6:05:00 AM August 1914 Allies Die roll request Request: 6-sided die x 1

1


Message from Allies:
3 SB CF fire with +1 modifier for combat card.
33 7/22/2018 6:02:00 AM August 1914 Allies Die roll request Request: 6-sided die x 1

1


Message from Allies:
Flank attack attempt against SB 1 in Belgrade
32 7/22/2018 5:54:00 AM August 1914 Allies Play Strategy card as Combat #5: 2 / Putnik
May only be played in 1914 and 1915. SB units get a +1 drm for an attack or defense.

Message from Allies:
31 7/21/2018 12:02:00 PM August 1914 Central Powers Message Don't forget your MO is BR/FR. I forgot to mark it.
30 7/21/2018 10:41:00 AM August 1914 Central Powers Message Over to you. I will advance after combat in both cases if possible. To the spaces I'm attacking, not further.
29 7/21/2018 10:36:00 AM August 1914 Central Powers Play Strategy card as Operations #14: 4 / Austria - Hungary Reinforcements (7th Army)
7th Army, 2 corps.

Message from Central Powers:
28 7/21/2018 9:42:00 AM August 1914 Allies Play Strategy card as Operations #7: 2 / Severe Weather
Defending units in a mountain space in Fall/Winter or a swamp space in Spring/Fall get a +2 drm.

Message from Allies:
27 7/21/2018 9:32:00 AM August 1914 Allies Die roll request Request: 6-sided die x 1

3


Message from Allies:
RU2 fires back at 2 factors....
26 7/21/2018 9:30:00 AM August 1914 Allies Die roll request Request: 6-sided die x 1

2


Message from Allies:
For AH3 and AH4 attack on RU5 at Lemberg...
25 7/21/2018 9:28:00 AM August 1914 Allies Die roll request Request: 6-sided die x 1

4


Message from Allies:
For flank attempt...
24 7/21/2018 9:28:00 AM August 1914 Allies Message Yes, I'd like to play BR MO as FR MO for first turn...
23 7/21/2018 8:12:00 AM August 1914 Central Powers Message We can play BR=FR for MO on first turn if you like.
22 7/21/2018 8:08:00 AM August 1914 Central Powers Message Over to you. I've removed your logfile as I'd already made changes to my own. Hope that's okay.
21 7/21/2018 7:58:00 AM August 1914 Central Powers Play Strategy card as Operations #8: 3 / Race to the Sea
CP units may now end movement in Ostend, Calais, and Amiens. Card may also be played as an event after CP WS is at 4.

Message from Central Powers:
20 7/21/2018 7:55:00 AM August 1914 Central Powers Message Yeah, your right about not being able to go into Tarnow.
19 7/21/2018 7:48:00 AM August 1914 Allies Message Please ignore my last message regarding not getting a log. I found it and replayed the log and after seeing the results, I cannot advance into Tarnow and have decided against advancing to Czernowitz.

Also, the Historical Option says that in Turn 1, British MO = French MO. Although I don't see this in my 2010 printing of the rules
18 7/21/2018 7:47:00 AM August 1914 Central Powers Message Yes, the logfile is on the dropbox folder I shared with you.

The OOS warning is used by a majority of people who play the games because the Supply rules are so severe. They turn the game into a game of Go where the focus is on supply instead of long-term management of man and material.

If you don't want to play with supply warning, fine. It is important to establish the choice early in the game.

By the way, you can only move and put yourself OOS if you move past an un-besieged enemy fort. Otherwise your opponent generally has to move (or advance after combat) to put you OOS. Thus the situation you postulate is not very common.
17 7/21/2018 7:29:00 AM August 1914 Allies Message Not sure if I'm doing this right....

Did you upload the logs? I'm assuming the attacks on Tarnow and Czernowitz were successful whichis why you were asking if I wnted to advance. Yes, I do but I wish I could see the board when I make that decision.

Also, I'm not sure I understand the OOS rule you mentioned. So if I move such that it would place your units OOS, I have to tell you first? It doesn't seem to make sense.
16 7/21/2018 5:45:00 AM August 1914 Central Powers Message I alos usually use OOS warnings as described here: https://sites.google.com/site/pathsofglory2013/

Is this okay with you?
15 7/21/2018 3:07:00 AM August 1914 Central Powers Message Also, can you please use ACTS to submit messages? It records the conversation in the journal instead of in multiple emails.

As you can see, I am a fan of ACTS as it keeps things organised.
14 7/21/2018 3:04:00 AM August 1914 Central Powers Message Your MO is British
Mine is German which I've already made.
Have you decided on advance into Czernowitz and Tarnow?
13 7/21/2018 2:16:00 AM August 1914 Central Powers Die roll request Request: 6-sided die x 2

4
3


Message from Central Powers:
Mandatory Offensives
CP
AP
12 7/20/2018 3:41:00 PM August 1914 Central Powers Message I've submitted a logfile to DB. Will you advance after combat? If so, in which spaces? When you've decided I can proceed with my turn.
11 7/20/2018 3:36:00 PM August 1914 Central Powers Die roll request Request: 6-sided die x 2

3
3


Message from Central Powers:
attack Czernowitz
AP
CP
10 7/20/2018 3:33:00 PM August 1914 Central Powers Die roll request Request: 6-sided die x 2

5
3


Message from Central Powers:
attack Tarnow
AP top
CP bottom
9 7/20/2018 9:33:00 AM August 1914 Allies Play Strategy card as Operations #14: 4 / British Reinforcements (1st Army)
1st Army, 1 corps.

Message from Allies:
8 7/20/2018 9:19:00 AM August 1914 Allies Die roll request Request: 6-sided die x 1

4


Message from Allies:
Your 13 factors fire....
7 7/20/2018 9:15:00 AM August 1914 Allies Die roll request Request: 6-sided die x 1

6


Message from Allies:
Since your flank attack failed, I get to fire first
6 7/20/2018 9:13:00 AM August 1914 Allies Play Strategy card as Combat #6: 2 / Withdrawal
Defending units negate one required Corps step loss and instead must retreat 1 space. Full strength Attacking units may advance. If no Corps step(s) lost, an Army step loss may be negated. See rule 12.6 for details.

Message from Allies:
Playing as CC on your attack against the French army in Sedan
5 7/20/2018 9:04:00 AM August 1914 Allies Die roll request Request: 6-sided die x 1

1


Message from Allies:
For flanking attempt...
4 7/20/2018 3:05:00 AM August 1914 Central Powers Play Strategy card as Event #1: 3 / Guns of August
May only be played in the first Action Round of the August 1914 turn. The Liege fort is destroyed. Place the GE 1st and 2nd Armies in the Liege space. The GE 1st, 2nd, and 3rd Armies are activated for Combat.

War Status increased to 2

Message from Central Powers:
3 7/20/2018 2:20:00 AM August 1914 Allies Draw Strategy cards
2 7/16/2018 2:31:00 AM August 1914 Central Powers Message Hi John, I have set up a game for us on ACTS. You should be able to draws cards now.
1 7/16/2018 2:30:00 AM August 1914 Central Powers Draw Strategy cards

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