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514 12/10/2018 1:33:00 PM Master ID = 23341 Game Deleted
513 12/10/2018 1:32:00 PM Turn 26 Spruance Message I'm going to end the game and delete it now. On to world domination, The Eagle versus The Bear! When we play TS do you want to be the USA or USSR first game?
512 12/10/2018 1:31:00 PM Turn 26 Spruance Message No, my thoughts are to avoid attacks as much as possible and simply hide from the IJN so no need to continue. If the fleet was allowed to exit the map I'd do that!
511 12/10/2018 1:29:00 PM Turn 26 Spruance Message If we want to end this game I'll delete it. I think you did pretty well after the first day though the point difference is actually made up of the CVE and cruisers I picked off with your "decoy" force. OTOH, I gave you some points with my lone cruiser I sent off to enhance my searching. I didn't think you'd go after it as it would give away your position. Unfortunately I positioned myself poorly for the counter-strike.
510 12/10/2018 1:28:00 PM Turn 26 Nagumo Message I see no way for the IJN to succeed so I would like to resign…unless you want to continue, so as to get in a couple more attacks before we close this thing?
509 12/10/2018 1:26:00 PM Turn 26 Spruance Message Yes, you've taken Midway. I'm up for calling the game and going into TS. We can come back to M64 later on using the Tournament rules. Strategy wise my intention is to get lost and hope you can't find my carriers on the last day. You could actually win the game if you launched a strike and sank two of my ships with at least one being a carrier and I didn't strike back.
508 12/10/2018 1:23:00 PM Turn 26 Spruance Edit Victory Points Spruance: from 33 to 33
Nagumo: from 7 to 22
507 12/10/2018 1:18:00 PM Turn 26 Nagumo Message So, now I've taken Midway?
If so, then we can continue or not. If I had more planes, I'd definitely want to continue.
506 12/10/2018 1:16:00 PM Turn 25 Nagumo End Turn
505 12/10/2018 1:15:00 PM Turn 25 Nagumo Edit Operations This Turn 1=N 2=Y Spruance: from 1 to 1
Nagumo: from 1 to 1
504 12/7/2018 2:38:00 PM Turn 25 Spruance Message I see the "Wave" attack rule now in the Optional Rules page 17. I think the discussion on BGG says that attacks over 4:1 must be broken up into waves to avoid the auto sink without loss situation. Again, it's a commonly adopted house rule.
503 12/7/2018 2:26:00 PM Turn 25 Spruance Message And disregard some of my earlier message about capture of MI being more defined in the Tournament Rules. Atago must still be on MI for four consecutive turns to do the invasion. I guess the key is to account for the VPs after the ops phase each turn as we are now doing.
502 12/7/2018 2:22:00 PM Turn 25 Spruance Edit Operations This Turn 1=N 2=Y Spruance: from 1 to 1
Nagumo: from 1 to 1
501 12/7/2018 2:21:00 PM Turn 25 Spruance Message H3b - CV, CA

Nothing in any of the other search areas.

RtD
500 12/7/2018 2:20:00 PM Turn 25 Spruance Message Hmm, you are correct. The rule only says they have the 12 zone range limit. The USN CA's did have search planes but there are more IJN ships with search planes. Maybe the rule is accounting for USN submarines and etc.
499 12/7/2018 2:15:00 PM Turn 25 Nagumo Message IJN searhces
G1, G2, G3
H2, H3
I2, I3
498 12/7/2018 2:15:00 PM Turn 25 Spruance Message There is a sentence somewhere about USN losing its four map-wide searches once MI falls. I'll find it.
497 12/7/2018 2:14:00 PM Turn 25 Nagumo Message E4. E5, F4 - N
F5i - CV, BB, C
Midway - BB, C
496 12/7/2018 2:13:00 PM Turn 25 Nagumo Message US still gets 4 searches - I see nothing about taking one away…only not anywhere-on-map.
495 12/7/2018 2:10:00 PM Turn 25 Spruance Message Also last turn for a "free" search in Midway Island zone. And I guess those search planes have a range of 12 zones, not 14?
494 12/7/2018 2:08:00 PM Turn 25 Spruance Message 6/5 1700 USN searches (last turn for USN having four map wide searches I believe, from now on same rule as IJN, three searches within 14 zones of my ships)

E4
E5
F4
F5
G5g (Midway Island zone)
493 12/7/2018 2:05:00 PM Turn 25 Nagumo Message 6/05 1700 - movement completed
492 12/7/2018 2:01:00 PM Turn 25 Spruance Message 6/5 1700 USN movement completed
491 12/7/2018 1:57:00 PM Turn 24 Nagumo End Turn
490 12/7/2018 1:51:00 PM Turn 24 Spruance Edit Operations This Turn 1=N 2=Y Spruance: from 1 to 1
Nagumo: from 1 to 1
489 12/7/2018 1:51:00 PM Turn 24 Spruance Message I'm thinking perhaps in the Tournament Rules that the MI VP schedule should almost be as written with the modification that the US gets a VP per turn starting 6/5 0500 until Midway's defenses are reduced to zero. You can get your CVs in position to attack MI on 6/4 and could possibly reduce MI to 0 with some luck.
488 12/7/2018 1:50:00 PM Turn 24 Nagumo Edit Operations This Turn 1=N 2=Y Spruance: from 1 to 1
Nagumo: from 2 to 1
487 12/7/2018 1:49:00 PM Turn 24 Spruance Message RtD
486 12/7/2018 1:49:00 PM Turn 24 Spruance Message I believe the Tournament Rules will make the capture of Midway better defined. You can reduce it from the 20 points of defense with air and surface attacks long before Atago arrives but clearly all this attacking takes place in the Operations Phase. Once Atago arrives I believe a 0 defense MI succumbs during the Operations Phase as the Japanese troops come ashore. Since all attacks and ops are simultaneous it doesn't matter if the Atago is sunk during that very Ops Phase - it would have to be sunk earlier.
485 12/7/2018 1:45:00 PM Turn 24 Spruance Message H1 - N
H2 - H2e CV, CA
H3 - N
I1 - N
I2 - N
I3
484 12/7/2018 1:42:00 PM Turn 24 Nagumo Message Hey, I thought that I was the only one confused around here.
483 12/7/2018 1:41:00 PM Turn 24 Nagumo Message IJN searches
H1, H2, H3, I1, I2, I3
482 12/7/2018 1:40:00 PM Turn 24 Nagumo Message E4, F4 - N
F3i - C
F5a - CV, BB, C
481 12/7/2018 1:39:00 PM Turn 24 Nagumo Message The rules are so awful on capturing Midway. I agree with your interpretation.

480 12/7/2018 1:35:00 PM Turn 24 Spruance Message Apologies for all my confusion and confusing actions. I will let you track Atago's invasion progress and try to not muddy the waters.
479 12/7/2018 1:32:00 PM Turn 24 Spruance Message I am assuming the points for Midway have to be awarded at the end of each turn to give the battles a chance to eliminate the Atago and other considerations. I gave myself the point for this turn. I think next turn is the fourth turn for Atago at MI? If so, at the end of the turn if Atago is still afloat you get 15 points and I get none.
478 12/7/2018 1:30:00 PM Turn 24 Spruance Message USN searches:

E4
F3
F4
F5

End of USN searches.
477 12/7/2018 1:29:00 PM Turn 24 Spruance Edit Victory Points Spruance: from 32 to 33
Nagumo: from 7 to 7
476 12/7/2018 1:28:00 PM Turn 24 Nagumo Message 6/05 1500 - movement completed.
Readying planes.
475 12/7/2018 1:24:00 PM Turn 24 Nagumo Message 1x D lost.
17T and 11D returned to E4e.
474 12/7/2018 1:24:00 PM Turn 24 Spruance Message 6/5 1500 USN movement completed
473 12/7/2018 1:23:00 PM Turn 24 Nagumo Die roll request Request: 6-sided die x 1

6


Message from Nagumo:
D12 vs Vincennes, 4-1.
I think the other attack is auto-sink, according to CRT.
472 12/7/2018 1:20:00 PM Turn 24 Spruance Message But since we are allowing the attacker to roll the dice, by boardgame tradition you should get to roll in the order you choose so that puts us back where we started.
471 12/7/2018 1:19:00 PM Turn 23 Spruance Message That is a good question. I believe that I was incorrect in my assertion and that the ship and planes should go to the battleboard and give me a chance to shoot at the 4:1 wave while sinking into the Pacific. There is a lot of discussion on Boardgamegeek about the over 4:1 rule and all of it is against the automatic result of no planes being lost. There is a reference to a "wave rule" which may be in the rulebook somewhere but it may be a development from extensive playing and a commonly used house rule. I can't explain it right now because I didn't pay attention knowing we weren't using it. Realistically a big attack of aircraft is still going to take some hits is the bottom line.
470 12/7/2018 1:17:00 PM Turn 23 Nagumo End Turn
469 12/7/2018 1:16:00 PM Turn 23 Nagumo Message Planes return to E4e.
468 12/7/2018 1:15:00 PM Turn 23 Nagumo Message Question: I had a 5-1 attack and a 4-1 attack. Could Vincennes fire at the D12?
CRT says ships attacked at more than 4-1 are auto-sunk…does that apply to only the planes auto-sinking the ship or to ALL the planes attacking ship?
467 12/7/2018 1:05:00 PM Turn 23 Spruance Message Brain-dead me, I should have dispatched the Minneapolis on the lonely mission since it already had a hit on it.
466 12/7/2018 1:04:00 PM Turn 23 Spruance Edit Victory Points Spruance: from 32 to 32
Nagumo: from 3 to 7
465 12/7/2018 1:03:00 PM Turn 23 Spruance Message USS Vincennes is the lonely cruiser that shall go to the bottom via the 4:1 ratio so no need to go to the battleboard.
464 12/7/2018 1:00:00 PM Turn 23 Nagumo Message T17 and D12 attack G3f


463 12/7/2018 12:31:00 PM Turn 23 Spruance Edit Operations This Turn 1=N 2=Y Spruance: from 1 to 1
Nagumo: from 2 to 2
462 12/7/2018 12:26:00 PM Turn 23 Spruance Edit Victory Points Spruance: from 27 to 32
Nagumo: from 3 to 3
461 12/7/2018 12:13:00 PM Turn 23 Nagumo Edit Operations This Turn 1=N 2=Y Spruance: from 1 to 1
Nagumo: from 1 to 2
460 12/7/2018 12:13:00 PM Turn 23 Nagumo Message End of searches.
459 12/7/2018 12:12:00 PM Turn 23 Nagumo Message We had quite the storm, starting with sprinkles about 3:00 pm.
458 12/7/2018 12:12:00 PM Turn 23 Nagumo Message My apologies…I meant in future games, we should dispense with the 15 points-and-US bonus points idea and go simpler.
mea culpa
I will continue counting in the illogical original way because that just smells to me like "Basic Game".

457 12/6/2018 6:34:00 PM Turn 23 Spruance Message Hey, I heard some thunder up here just now. Didn't see lightning. Very nostalgic effect on me as I used to sit on my grandparents front porch in Colorado and read books when the almost daily afternoon thunderstorm would roll in.
456 12/6/2018 6:24:00 PM Turn 23 Spruance Message G2 - N
G3f - CA
455 12/6/2018 6:22:00 PM Turn 23 Spruance Message Haha, I thought we decided to award 10 points for taking Midway, otherwise no points.
454 12/6/2018 6:10:00 PM Turn 23 Nagumo Message G2, G3
453 12/6/2018 6:10:00 PM Turn 23 Nagumo Message Yes, this is second turn for Atago being at Midway.
Also, shouldn't the US be getting their bonus points? - counting this turn, I count 5 more points for the US.
452 12/6/2018 5:58:00 PM Turn 23 Spruance Message This the second turn for the Atago to be in place at Midway for the four turns required, correct?

It's very interesting to think of the Basic vs Tournament rules on this. I could have landed my a/c last turn and then had another attack from there on Atago on the next turn and if I got two hits, not a certainty at all, no MI invasion. But in the Tournament rules your battleships would wipe out a lot of the a/c on this turn. With your current bombardment group it is probable that you could reduce the Midway defenses in two turns and possible in one with the elimination of 15 or so a/c on an average result.

Anyway I ran the a/c back to the carriers because it was less than 50/50 to get two hits on Atago in the next attack which would be the last before the four turn requirement. The attrition on my a/c just not worth the low odds.
451 12/6/2018 5:50:00 PM Turn 23 Spruance Message H2, H3, I3 - N
450 12/6/2018 5:26:00 PM Turn 23 Nagumo Message partial IHN searches
H2, H3, I3
449 12/6/2018 5:25:00 PM Turn 23 Nagumo Message We had much rain here, as well.

F2, F4, F5 - N
F3/F - C


448 12/6/2018 5:24:00 PM Turn 23 Nagumo Message Yes, the sequence is Move, Ready, Search.
447 12/6/2018 4:36:00 PM Turn 23 Spruance Edit Operations This Turn 1=N 2=Y Spruance: from 2 to 1
Nagumo: from 1 to 1
446 12/6/2018 4:36:00 PM Turn 23 Spruance Message Do we declare "readying aircraft" before searching? Anyway, yes, USN is readying aircraft. In next game I'll reword it to say "Ready Aircraft On Deck Y/N" or such.

Nice rain up here. A pause right now but I think a little more might come in a bit. Enjoying it very much in my cozy house!
445 12/6/2018 4:31:00 PM Turn 23 Spruance Edit Readying Aircraft Spruance: from Yes to Yes
Nagumo: from Yes to Yes
444 12/6/2018 4:23:00 PM Turn 23 Nagumo Message Is the US readying planes?
443 12/6/2018 3:42:00 PM Turn 23 Spruance Message 6/5 1300 USN searches:

F2
F3
F4
F5
442 12/6/2018 3:40:00 PM Turn 23 Spruance Message 6/5 1300 USN movement complete.
441 12/6/2018 3:24:00 PM Turn 23 Nagumo Message 6/05 1300 - movement completed
440 12/6/2018 3:22:00 PM Turn 22 Nagumo End Turn
439 12/6/2018 2:39:00 PM Turn 22 Spruance Message All aircraft bingo (Navy air lingo for return to or land at) H3b where my CVs are. No aircraft remaining on Midway Island.

End of operations.
438 12/6/2018 2:37:00 PM Turn 22 Spruance Message Two hits on Atago, lose D3, D22 remaining.
437 12/6/2018 2:36:00 PM Turn 22 Spruance Die roll request Request: 6-sided die x 1

6


Message from Spruance:
D25 at 1:1
436 12/6/2018 2:36:00 PM Turn 22 Spruance Message Miss, lose T4 ( T1 remaining)
435 12/6/2018 2:35:00 PM Turn 22 Spruance Die roll request Request: 6-sided die x 1

4


Message from Spruance:
T5 attacks 1:3
434 12/6/2018 12:59:00 PM Turn 22 Nagumo Message Hold on, I think I counted wrong.
It's AA25 vs D25, so that's a 1-1.
433 12/6/2018 12:58:00 PM Turn 22 Nagumo Message Haguro, Atago & Myoko fire at T5…making it 1-3.
All others fire at D25…making it 1-2.
Been busy…have to go grocery shopping soon.
Hope you are well and warm.

432 12/4/2018 9:21:00 PM Turn 22 Spruance Message D25 dive on Atago in D9, T5 attack Atago from D10.
431 12/4/2018 8:20:00 PM Turn 22 Nagumo Message B7 Chokai - B9 Haruna - B11 Haguro
D7 Hiei - D9 Atago - D11 Kongo
F7 Suzuya - F9 Kirishima - F11 Myoko
430 12/4/2018 6:40:00 PM Turn 22 Spruance Message D25, T5 from Midway Island attack transports, BB and CA in H5g.
429 12/4/2018 6:38:00 PM Turn 22 Spruance Edit Operations This Turn 1=N 2=Y Spruance: from 1 to 2
Nagumo: from 1 to 1
428 12/4/2018 6:35:00 PM Turn 22 Nagumo Edit Operations This Turn 1=N 2=Y Spruance: from 1 to 1
Nagumo: from 1 to 1
427 12/4/2018 6:35:00 PM Turn 22 Nagumo Message Searches completed.
426 12/4/2018 5:51:00 PM Turn 22 Spruance Message H3b CV, CA
H4 - N
425 12/4/2018 5:00:00 PM Turn 22 Nagumo Message H3, H4
424 12/4/2018 3:53:00 PM Turn 22 Spruance Message G3, G4 - N
423 12/4/2018 3:34:00 PM Turn 22 Nagumo Message IJN searches
G3, G4
422 12/4/2018 3:33:00 PM Turn 22 Nagumo Message E3, F3, F5 - N
F4/A - C
M - BB, CA w/transports
421 12/4/2018 2:21:00 PM Turn 22 Spruance Message 6/5 1100 USN searches:

E3
F3
F4
F5
MI zone
420 12/4/2018 2:20:00 PM Turn 22 Spruance Message 6/5 1100 USN movement complete.
419 12/4/2018 1:40:00 PM Turn 22 Nagumo Message No worries at all. Catch you later.
418 12/4/2018 1:33:00 PM Turn 22 Spruance Message Would it be alright to take a break? I got a late start and haven't had breakfast yet! I'll be able to make my move and searches in about an hour, just before lunch (for you).
417 12/4/2018 1:31:00 PM Turn 22 Nagumo Message 6/05 1100 - movement completed
416 12/4/2018 1:30:00 PM Turn 21 Nagumo End Turn
415 12/4/2018 1:19:00 PM Turn 21 Spruance Message No ops by USN since my aircraft from Midway can't get to your carrier task force and have sufficient range left to shuttle to my carriers. Good planning on your part, Admiral Nagumo!!

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