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67 1/14/2019 5:06:00 PM August 1914 Allies Play Strategy card as Operations #11: 3 / Russian Reinforcements (9th Army, 10th Army)
9th Army, 10th Army.

Message from Allies:
Played for movement in AP4, no combat. I've placed the file in the shared space.
66 1/14/2019 4:58:00 PM August 1914 Allies Message I'm sorry to say that you did both incorrectly. You do NOT calculate two different combat strengths for your units. You add them all together regardless of whether they are Corps or Armies. If any of the units are an Army, you fire on the Army table with the combat strength you've previously calculated. If all of the units are Corps, you fire on the Corps table.

Also the calculation for a Flank attack is +1 for every one of your attacking units that are adjacent to the target unit and -1 for each adjacent space to your target space that contains a unit of the same nationality as your target space (I think!).
65 1/13/2019 10:03:00 AM August 1914 Central Powers Message No advance for the AH troops.

When you say I had the flank attack wrong, you meant my calculation of the combat strengths? But I did do the flank attack success / failure correctly? I was thinking about it last night and wondering if I really did get the +1 drm I thought I had.
64 1/12/2019 8:05:00 PM August 1914 Allies Message RUc retreat to Belaya Tserkov. Do you advance?
63 1/12/2019 8:04:00 PM August 1914 Allies Die roll request Request: 6-sided die x 1

5


Message from Allies:
RU8 reduced to RUc, firing on the 1 column of the Corps attack table
62 1/12/2019 8:03:00 PM August 1914 Allies Die roll request Request: 6-sided die x 1

4


Message from Allies:
CP attack die roll on Kamenets-Podolski (say that 3 times fast!)
61 1/12/2019 8:00:00 PM August 1914 Allies Message Your math on the Flank attack is incorrect (fortunately for you). You have AH3 (3 Army combat factors) + [AH2] (1 Army combat factor) + AHc (1 corp combat factor) for a total of 5 CF and because you have one unit firing on the Army table, you look at the 5 column of the Army table.
60 1/12/2019 7:54:00 PM August 1914 Allies Message I should mention that your flank attack was successful but you had an additional -1 modifier for Russian units that were adjacent to the Russian defending unit.
59 1/12/2019 2:45:00 PM August 1914 Central Powers Message Flank attack is successful.

I am not playing combat cards.

I have 3 army / 1 corps power (so that is just treated as 4 on the army table) to your 3 army power.

If I do more than 2 loss, your army will have only 2 power, since the flank attack was successful. Hopefully I have that right.

58 1/12/2019 2:41:00 PM August 1914 Central Powers Die roll request Request: 6-sided die x 1

3


Message from Central Powers:
Attempting Flank attack with +1drm.
57 1/12/2019 2:41:00 PM August 1914 Central Powers Message I added a new file with my movement (4th army to Liege, 3rd Army to Metz).

I will be attempting a flank attack on Kamenets-Podolski from Tarnopol (pinning unit) and Czernowitz. Czernowitz space gives me a +1 drm on flank attack attempt.

I will submit die roll request.

56 1/12/2019 2:31:00 PM August 1914 Central Powers Play Strategy card as Operations #7: 3 / German Reinforcements (9th Army)
9th Army.

Message from Central Powers:
I understand that we cannot play reinforcements cards this turn, so playing as ops. I will be activating:

Sedan for movement
Tarnopol for attack
Czernowitz for attack

55 1/10/2019 12:53:00 PM August 1914 Allies Message No, the first 3 loss points will be used to flip the French army to its reduced side.
- Another 3 full loss points will be used to remove the Army to the Eliminated box and replace it with a French Corps in the Reserve Box (you've currently got at least 7 French corps in the Reserve).
- Another loss point will flip the French Corps to its reduced side (which is the same as the full strength side.
- The eights loss point would remove the French Corps to the Eliminated box.

As you can see French armies do not have a lot of combat strength but they have the highest endurance in the game before losing their strength and it would take 2 major attacks to remove a French army because you can't do 8 Loss factors in one attack.

By contrast, looking at attacking an Austrian army is a completely different experience. They go from 3 strength to 1 strength after 2 loss factors and drop to being a Corps after 2 more loss factors.

It is hard to predictably get more than 4 loss factors in a single attack. 4 LF drops a French army to 2 strength, it drops an AH army to a 1 strength corps.
54 1/10/2019 11:50:00 AM August 1914 Central Powers Message Thanks. I am trying to figure out what happens if I attach Cambrai and do more than 3 loss points? Will that simply eliminate the army there?
53 1/10/2019 9:57:00 AM August 1914 Allies Message I have not seen the new map but I will look for it. Your move.
52 1/10/2019 9:56:00 AM August 1914 Allies Message Not exactly. The Army is removed from the game and nothing replaces it. Not a good position to be in.
51 1/10/2019 8:50:00 AM August 1914 Central Powers Message A quick question. If an army is destroyed and a player doesn't have a corps in reserve, does he still remove the reduced army and replace with a corps?

Second note, I just got the deluxe reprint of POG and the two-sided mounted map is pretty attractive. They also did a nice job with all the player aids.
50 1/8/2019 9:01:00 AM August 1914 Allies Message I just uploaded file 005 which shows the French losses. Your move.
49 1/8/2019 8:54:00 AM August 1914 Central Powers Message I have uploaded a new vassal file with all but the french losses accounted for.
48 1/8/2019 8:53:00 AM August 1914 Central Powers Message I went to review the last vassal file and realized that there is only one defending army in Metz, as the GE 4th army moved to Sedan.

That means 3 loss against the GE 5th army in Metz, and attackers take 4 loss points. Defender wins the battle and does not have to retreat.

I'll apply losses to the BEF and 2nd Army in Liege and I'll apply losses to the 5th army in Metz (flip it). I don't know how to allocate the losses against the 4 french armies engaged in the 2nd battle, though. I'll leave that for you.

Can you take your damage against your forts? Or does that only work for defending units?
47 1/8/2019 8:45:00 AM August 1914 Allies Message Flip GE4 and FR1 for the losses. Your move.
46 1/8/2019 8:41:00 AM August 1914 Central Powers Die roll request Request: 6-sided die x 1

4


Message from Central Powers:
And defender roll for Metz.
45 1/8/2019 8:34:00 AM August 1914 Central Powers Die roll request Request: 6-sided die x 1

1


Message from Central Powers:
Attack roll on Metz.
44 1/8/2019 8:33:00 AM August 1914 Central Powers Message For the attack on Liege, both armies will take 3 loss points, which I understand means both flip to their reduced side. Both sides "lose" so there is no winner, no retreat, and no advance.
43 1/8/2019 8:27:00 AM August 1914 Central Powers Die roll request Request: 6-sided die x 1

2


Message from Central Powers:
This is defending GE 2nd Army roll.
42 1/8/2019 8:22:00 AM August 1914 Central Powers Die roll request Request: 6-sided die x 1

3


Message from Central Powers:
No cards to play. First roll is BEF attack.
41 1/7/2019 12:04:00 PM August 1914 Allies Message Correct!
40 1/7/2019 9:24:00 AM August 1914 Central Powers Message before I start chucking dice, I wanted to be sure I have it right. I can play cards in response, and then I will be responsible for rolling a die for each battle.

Assuming I don't play any cards, there are two die rolls for each battle, one for Liege and one for Metz.
39 1/2/2019 1:23:00 PM August 1914 Allies Message Please ignore my message sent 1:11. I wasn't thinking clearly. I sent another message at 1:20 today that has my orders. I do not see a way with our current configuration on Vassal to record this so I did not upload a new file to the shared folder. Please let me know if I missed something in how this version of Vassal works.
38 1/2/2019 1:20:00 PM August 1914 Allies Play Strategy card as Operations #3: 3 / Russian Reinforcements (11th Army)
11th Army, 1 corps.

Message from Allies:
Brussel - BEF attacks Leige, 5/5
Verdun - FR3 and FR4 attack Metz
Nancy - FR1 and FR2 attack Metz, before Trench 12/8, after Trench, 11/12

I hope I get lucky on one of the die rolls.
37 1/2/2019 1:11:00 PM August 1914 Allies Message Here's my understanding of your orders:
Metz - GE4 moves to Sedan
Sedan - GE2 and GE3 attack Cambrai

Is that accurate?
36 1/2/2019 9:03:00 AM August 1914 Central Powers Message See journal entry 33. I did. I just used my 2 activation points for movement. I uploaded a file with those moves as well.
35 1/1/2019 6:40:00 PM August 1914 Allies Message Are you going to change your move?
34 1/1/2019 11:31:00 AM August 1914 Central Powers Message A revised file has been uploaded.
33 1/1/2019 11:30:00 AM August 1914 Central Powers Message Hold for a moment. I might have a stacking problem.

Leaving the 2nd army in Liege. Still moving the 4th Army in Metz to Sedan.

Used my second point to activate the Munkacs space. Moved the AH 2nd army to Czernowitz.
32 1/1/2019 11:24:00 AM August 1914 Central Powers Message I think I finally understand trenches a little more. I'm going to resend my file. I will not be attacking. I will be activating units for movement only.

Activating Liege and Metz spaces. Moving GE 2nd Army from Liege to Sedan. Moving GE 4th Army from Metz to Sedan.
31 1/1/2019 10:51:00 AM August 1914 Central Powers Message That may in fact affect my thinking, as it would be a problem for maintaining supply, I think. I'll look at this now.
30 12/31/2018 9:14:00 PM August 1914 Allies Message In answer to the question you asked in the Vassal file, you cannot move a unit into a space that is going to attack. Moves have to end in a hex that is not attacking.

Please let me know how you change your move now.
29 12/28/2018 3:14:00 PM August 1914 Central Powers Message Yes, you correctly inferred my moves. I played them out on the vassal file. Sorry this is frustrating for you. This is how I have played vassal / ACTS hybrid games for the past several years. For instance, in Twilight Struggle, you'd say "play for ops" and maybe write "add influence" in the notes. But where you did that would be in the Vassal file. I can see the benefit of doing it how you suggest here because you don't always have to go to the vassal file. Of course, I can hardly keep the game straight without using the file, so for me it doesn't save much in terms of time. I can see that it might eventually be a lot easier.

In any event, even though the odds are great, I wanted to try to aggressive push (maybe you wind up getting a short game from me!).

28 12/24/2018 8:06:00 PM August 1914 Allies Message There's sort of a standard way that we write orders for units in this game. Here's what I've understood you to order so far (please correct if I am wrong):

Liege - GE2 is activated for movement but you don't say where it will go. All movement must be finished before combat.
Brussels - GE3 and GE4 are activated for combat but you don't say where they attack. I'm guessing that you intend for them to attack Cambrai (because it is the best odds for your attack). If so, the combat factors are initially 10/3 but change to 6/4 because of the Trench.

Was I correct about the intent of your attack? Those odds are not great, do you still want to do the attack?
27 12/22/2018 12:13:00 AM August 1914 Central Powers Message FYI, I will be traveling over the holidays, but I should be able to take some turns, maybe even more frequently during the week. But I'm driving all weekend.
26 12/22/2018 12:09:00 AM August 1914 Central Powers Message I will post a file shortly. I will be activating a unit for movement and a two units for combat. (2 spaces for activation). It will be to you for combat cards and to conduct the battle.

25 12/22/2018 12:03:00 AM August 1914 Central Powers Play Strategy card as Operations #3: 2 / Von Francois
A GE attack vs. RU units adds a +1 drm. May be used against spaces with RU and other nationalities.

Message from Central Powers:
Sorry for being so slow. Suffering from learner analysis paralysis.
24 12/21/2018 9:32:00 AM August 1914 Allies Message Yes, that is correct unless the card you are playing says otherwise.
23 12/21/2018 9:12:00 AM August 1914 Central Powers Message Is it the case that I cannot use a flank attack against an entrenched unit (which, in turn is any unit that has a trench in its space)?
22 12/20/2018 8:53:00 PM August 1914 Central Powers Message Yes sir. I just fell victim to a spate of pre-holiday work and activities. Should be able to get to it later tonight or tomorrow.
21 12/20/2018 11:27:00 AM August 1914 Allies Message Eric, is this game still alive in your opinion?
20 12/17/2018 1:43:00 PM August 1914 Allies Play Strategy card as Event #12: 3 / Entrench
Place a Level 1 Trench (not improve a Level 1 to Level 2) in any space occupied by a supplied friendly Army. Both players may now entrench. Only one player may play this card as an event.

Message from Allies:
Might as will start the war of the shovels early. Place a trench in Cambrai.
19 12/17/2018 1:32:00 PM August 1914 Allies Message I got the dropbox link but I'm really old school and tend to work from the messages sent via ACTS. I will recover the file and see what you did.
18 12/17/2018 1:13:00 PM August 1914 Central Powers Message Yes. It is in the file I posted. Did you get the Dropbox link?
17 12/17/2018 12:42:00 PM August 1914 Allies Message Sorry to keep asking about this but did you advance after the Sedan attack? It has a very large impact on my next move.
16 12/16/2018 2:18:00 PM August 1914 Central Powers Message Thanks. I'm starting to get a sense of the flow. So you rolled for us both; both rolls were 1s. The hit you would have suffered was negated by the Withdrawal card. The Allies roll = 1 hit, which is lower than my loss factor, and therefore, no reduction to my forces. (The question of who won is academic, as it results in the determination of who needs to retreat, and you already withdrew). So combat is over and I have advanced. I'll stop writing it all out at some point. It just helps me understand the flow and hopefully will allow you to correct my errors and/or misunderstanding. And it is your action round now?
15 12/16/2018 12:36:00 PM August 1914 Allies Message Please let me know if you have more questions. The only stupid question is the one you chose not to ask!
14 12/16/2018 12:36:00 PM August 1914 Allies Message Sorry, right now I'm trying to scrape some rust off while playing you and a very experienced player. It's giving all three of us whiplash for different reasons.

"I'm confused. Is your die roll for my attack? I thought you'd say whether you are playing a card, then my roll, your roll, etc. The order of the rolls and cards is a little confusing too. You rolled before playing the withdrawal card. But you should play the withdrawal card after the flank attempt and then there is a determination of whether there are losses."

The order of play is:
Combat cards that affect the die roll (that does not include the Withdrawal card)
Roll dice
Report results (which is affected by the Withdrawal card)
Take losses
Retreat
Advance after combat (if allowed)

The way we handle this in email is that we skip over a step if it does not apply. Since I had no combat cards that would affect combat, I just went straight to the die roll.

"I assume you are doing it right and also in the most efficient way. So maybe we just take the appropriate rolls as they come, regardless of which side is doing the rolling."

We need to give the Defender the opportunity to roll the dice because they may have a card that drastically affects the outcome (like Withdrawal). Other than that I agree with the above statement.


"If my assumptions are all correct now, I have the Vassal file posted. I advanced two of my 3 armies. Over to you. Do you still get to attack if you withdraw? Or is this just a function of the order? We would have both exchanged losses before the withdrawal and then your card allows for reduction of your loss? But I'd still take losses? IF that is the case, should you have also rolled for you?"

Yes, I still get to roll for combat after the Withdrawal card, just after you inflict your losses and I play the card. Sometimes this will make a really big difference. Sometimes it makes no difference on the combat roll (as you just saw).
13 12/16/2018 12:27:00 PM August 1914 Central Powers Message I'm confused. Is your die roll for my attack? I thought you'd say whether you are playing a card, then my roll, your roll, etc. The order of the rolls and cards is a little confusing too. You rolled before playing the withdrawal card. But you should play the withdrawal card after the flank attempt and then there is a determination of whether there are losses.

I assume you are doing it right and also in the most efficient way. So maybe we just take the appropriate rolls as they come, regardless of which side is doing the rolling.

If my assumptions are all correct now, I have the Vassal file posted. I advanced two of my 3 armies. Over to you. Do you still get to attack if you withdraw? Or is this just a function of the order? We would have both exchanged losses before the withdrawal and then your card allows for reduction of your loss? But I'd still take losses? IF that is the case, should you have also rolled for you?
12 12/16/2018 11:33:00 AM August 1914 Allies Message Still need to see how you advance before I can do anything.
11 12/16/2018 10:41:00 AM August 1914 Allies Play Strategy card as Combat #6: 2 / Withdrawal
Defending units negate one required Corps step loss and instead must retreat 1 space. Full strength Attacking units may advance. If no Corps step(s) lost, an Army step loss may be negated. See rule 12.6 for details.

Message from Allies:
I had been mis-reading the card. I still retreat to Cambrai but I don't take any losses. Yay Me!
10 12/16/2018 10:28:00 AM August 1914 Allies Message No effect. How do you advance?
9 12/16/2018 10:28:00 AM August 1914 Allies Die roll request Request: 6-sided die x 1

1


Message from Allies:
I got lucky! FR5 flips and retreats to Cambrai. Now what do I do to you on the 2 column?
8 12/16/2018 10:23:00 AM August 1914 Allies Die roll request Request: 6-sided die x 1

1


Message from Allies:
In general, I prefer all communication to be through ACTS so we have an easy record to reference if there are questions. I'm also not that good at remembering to do all communication through ACTS so please help me remember!

That said, we usually wait a maximum of 2 days before asking the other player to respond. Frequently the other player will be on vacation or something like that so we just have to be patient. A really good game can last 6 months because of this. It helps if we communicate scheduling problems ahead of time.

Now back to the attack. Your die roll first:
7 12/16/2018 10:17:00 AM August 1914 Central Powers Message Flank attack is successful. I will not be playing any combat cards, so I will pause here for you to play any if you desire. In the meantime, I'll work on the Vassal file.

In general, how long do you want to wait for combat card play? And what is your preference for using ACTS messages for some of this back and forth? Should I just email you with run of the mill questions?
6 12/16/2018 10:17:00 AM August 1914 Allies Message Just to communicate clearly: I'm currently in another PoG game via ACTS which is using all the bells and whistles. Please let me know if I send a message that doesn't make any sense because I am quite capable of making mistakes.
5 12/16/2018 10:15:00 AM August 1914 Central Powers Die roll request Request: 6-sided die x 1

3


Message from Central Powers:
I have a +1 drm on the flank attempt. I need a 4 or higher.
4 12/16/2018 10:13:00 AM August 1914 Central Powers Message I will attack the 5th army in Sedan from Liege and from Koblenz. CF for me is 15, to your 3. I will also attempt a flank attack from the Koblenz space, so the armies in Liege are the pinning space. The flank attack gets a +1 DRM b/c Koblenz is only connected to enemies in Sedan. I'll submit the die roll request next.

3 12/16/2018 9:49:00 AM August 1914 Central Powers Play Strategy card as Event #1: 3 / Guns of August
May only be played in the first Action Round of the August 1914 turn. The Liege fort is destroyed. Place the GE 1st and 2nd Armies in the Liege space. The GE 1st, 2nd, and 3rd Armies are activated for Combat.

War Status increased to 2

Message from Central Powers:
This is my first game, so I think I'll play this for the event. Even if it doesn't go well. There's too much to read about it and most of the pros and cons are not yet easy for me to understand, so here we go.
2 12/15/2018 1:53:00 PM August 1914 Allies Draw Strategy cards
1 12/15/2018 11:54:00 AM August 1914 Central Powers Draw Strategy cards

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