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55 3/1/2019 8:51:00 PM Master ID = 24202 Game Deleted
54 3/1/2019 7:54:00 AM Turn 1 CSA Change Player 2 player Player 2 player changed from Al Owen to GCACW GM
53 3/1/2019 3:40:00 AM Turn 1 USA Message Al,

You are a wise man. You realized sooner than I did that a fresh start is the way to go. Looking at this huge change in result from the two battle results, I realize that you would feel the result of the game is tainted by the new roll. It is also true that by keeping the previous result, I would feel that result tainted.

I doubt either of us wants to play with that feeling. I now see that your suggestion of a restart is the right one. I have set up the new game. I see no reason not to start immediately, and see if we can leave Mark alone for awhile. I am glad we are still close enough to the start of the game to make this a viable option.

Mike
52 3/1/2019 2:48:00 AM Turn 1 USA Die roll request Request: 6-sided die x 2

6
2


Message from USA:
New battle roll. CSA attacker gets +1 mod.
USA roll.
CSA roll.


51 3/1/2019 2:32:00 AM Turn 1 USA Message Al:

Restart? No, I don't think so. While we have been stuck here for a while, let's remember this has all been about only one battle role. The thing to do is just do that dang roll and get moving again. Since you asked me to do it, and did not LMK you have changed your mind in your last post, I will do it, and we will move forward.

Everything else we have done in the game is fine and it would be a shame and a waste to lose it.

Mike


50 2/28/2019 8:16:00 PM Turn 1 CSA Message Shall we delete all this and restart?


49 2/28/2019 10:30:00 AM Turn 1 USA Message Al, now that Mark has given us his final say, you can either roll for the battle or let me know that you still want me to do it.

In the interest of sportsmanship, as our director correctly calls us to follow, let me say I see no need to reroll the command roll of 5 for Stuart.

Once it was realized the battle roll was done without a command roll, it was proper to make a command roll, as Al did. the only dispute is whether the battle roll still counted or was voided and had to be done again after the command roll. So I agree that Stuart passed his command roll and let's move directly to rerolling only the battle by Al or me (his choice).

Let me further add that I thank Al for the proper schooling he has given me on tactics in these early moves. I am pretty new to the system (this is my 6th game), and so still in the "learn by losing" phase of my GCACW career. I did not see that encircling maneuver coming, but will know to keep an eye out from here on, especially when one is in the mountain passes. I look forward to the future lessons I get in this game.

Mike



48 2/28/2019 9:46:00 AM Turn 1 USA Message Al:

You write about "waiting for Mark to do something." He sent an email to me making clear he was ruling in my favor and saying he was in communication with you about it. Did he make clear his ruling to you?

If so, I am fine with rolling the dice if you do not want to as a protest against the ruling. However, you have thrown the word "cheating" out there. I am not going to go ahead in circumstances where that word has been used unless it is clear to everyone that the Tournament Director has ruled that I am following the proper procedure. I know you disagree strongly with that ruling, but can we agree that is the ruling he made?

Mike



47 2/28/2019 1:47:00 AM Turn 1 CSA Message Mike,

I give you permission to reroll whatever - I can't because in my eyes that would be "cheating".

Or wait for Mark B. to do "something"...

Al
46 2/26/2019 6:20:00 PM Turn 1 CSA Message OK I've requested Mark get the game going again by whichever way he sees fit..
45 2/26/2019 4:59:00 AM Turn 1 CSA Message Well, you must accept the logic of the situation itself - not to mention the GM's decision!

Did you read Mark B's email properly!?

>>>In this case, no decision points were affected by the misordered dice rolling. The CSA player didn't have any choices to make about which units to include in the assault after the command roll, and the USA player also had no decisions to make between the two rolls. So, while the USA player has a right to call for a re-rolling in the proper order, it is not required given that no decision points were affected.<<<[Nark B's email.]

(So from Step #5 (Command Roll) through to Step #9 nobody has any input - and these die rolls have already been correctly labelled and made - by me!)

In all tournament play the >>stock standard priority is keeping the crucial combat rolls? (Even with missed Artillery mods which may change the odds and involve a die roll there is never a redo - no "wag the dog" effect in other words...)

By the way, I noticed the *oversight* - look closely at the tourney rules again, it's not even considered an "error" as you insist on trying to make others believe, because *I* rectified it - and both sets of die rolls were correctly labelled so no juggling the order, which I gather is now your recent suggestion...

"Any errors identified by an >>opposing player<< are resolved by backing up to the point of the error and playing from there ......"[Website]

(Even by the strict definition of the Tourney rules as written - there is NO error!)

You seem to persist in thinking that you can toss out THREE die rolls which you don't like..!!

As it stands Richmond, Custer and Kilpatrick with no command are eliminated as per the clarified retreat rules from Mark B's email..
44 2/26/2019 12:58:00 AM Turn 1 USA Message Al, sorry but I don't see that your proposed solution is in line with the email Mark sent explaining the tournament rules for a situation like this. I presume you have seen Mark's email. He makes clear that in the case of an error like this by one player, the other player can either let it go or ask to go back to the point of the error and proceed fresh from there.

I request we go back to the point of the error, which was a battle roll being made without the necessary prior command roll, and proceed with new die rolls. So please roll one die for Stuart's command roll, then two dice for the battle rolls.

I understand it is annoying to lose a good battle result, but note that if the die rolls of 3/5/5 had been taken in their proper sequence, there would have been no retreat. So the retreat itself was a result of the mis-sequencing. Of course rolling in the proper sequence might have changed the numbers themselves, which also would change the result. Because of this, I believe rerolling for everything is not only in line with the tournament rules, but the fairest result.


43 2/25/2019 10:55:00 PM Turn 1 CSA Message Mike,

The fact this battle is crucial is 90% due to the manoeuvers - or lack of them - of our forces on the map...(we have both rolled quite well for movement.

If you were so deeply troubled, you could have run things passed me first..

==============================================

How about:

My Command die roll stays at "5"
My attacker die roll stays at "5"

My oversight gives you the opportunity to re-roll ONE die again - your defender die?

Al


42 2/24/2019 10:52:00 PM Turn 1 USA Message Al, I am not sure you can roll out of order like this. This could be an error of the type that falls under "Error Handling" in the tournament rules, where everything should be reset to before the battle roll was made before the command roll and then new die rolls made in the proper order.

I am sending an email to Mark to check on this.

Mike


41 2/24/2019 7:03:00 AM Turn 1 CSA Die roll request Request: 6-sided die x 1

5


Message from CSA:
STUART neglected Command Roll...

(On ,"6" no battle)

(1-5 = NE)

40 2/24/2019 12:27:00 AM Turn 1 CSA Message Fa/Dr Stuart/F.Lee (F4) advanced.

File on way, to confirm Kirkpatrick's retreat, i moved your units two hexes - 3 SP loss due to moving through my unit..
39 2/24/2019 12:26:00 AM Turn 1 CSA Message File on way, to confirm Kirkpatrick's retreat, i moved your units two hexes - 3 SP loss due to moving through my unit..
38 2/24/2019 12:03:00 AM Turn 1 CSA Die roll request Request: 6-sided die x 2

3
5


Message from CSA:
STUART / (Fitz Lee) now F2 will attack KILP
Attack +1
Comm +1
Rati -1
Mtns -1
Flnk +1 (Chambliss not 1/4 strength)

OveraLL +1



37 2/23/2019 11:56:00 PM Turn 1 CSA Die roll request Request: 6-sided die x 2

1
6


Message from CSA:
STUART / (Fitz Lee) ===> NE of Toll House, adjacent Union Cav
===> Robertson south of Stuart, adjacent Union Cav
===> Jones Haycock Knob, adjacent Union Cav

>>>INiT<<< ?


36 2/23/2019 11:34:00 PM Turn 1 CSA Die roll request Request: 6-sided die x 1

5


Message from CSA:
(Chambliss) ===> NW of Toll House / Union Cav (EM)


35 2/23/2019 11:24:00 PM Turn 1 CSA Die roll request Request: 6-sided die x 1

3


Message from CSA:
(Hampton) ===> Buena Vista Hotel (EM)

(STUART transfered to Fitz Lee)
34 2/23/2019 10:01:00 PM Turn 1 CSA Die roll request Request: 6-sided die x 2

6
2


Message from CSA:
STUART / 5 Brigs [+3]
33 2/23/2019 9:47:00 PM Turn 1 CSA Message NP about delay, I think we are "on schedule"..;)
32 2/23/2019 12:51:00 PM Turn 1 USA Message Tie goes to you. I will send a file. Also, in your last file, somehow Hampton lost his 2 manpower. I will correct that in my file.



31 2/23/2019 12:50:00 PM Turn 1 USA Die roll request Request: 6-sided die x 2

6
6


Message from USA:
USA
CSA

30 2/23/2019 12:50:00 PM Turn 1 USA Message Merritt moves 2808>2809>2810>2710>2609.

Gamble (with Buford) and Devin both move:

3009>2909>2809>2810>2710, end move.

Everybody is at fatigue 2.

Initiative roll coming next.

29 2/23/2019 12:20:00 PM Turn 1 USA Die roll request Request: 6-sided die x 2

1
2


Message from USA:
USA gets it again. Buford activates the 3 1st cav brigades. MA=2d+1.


28 2/23/2019 12:16:00 PM Turn 1 USA Die roll request Request: 6-sided die x 2

5
3


Message from USA:
USA
CSA

27 2/23/2019 12:16:00 PM Turn 1 USA Message MA=6. He moves down the road from 3104 to 2808. Fatigue advances to 1.

Rolling for new initiative next.

26 2/23/2019 12:13:00 PM Turn 1 USA Die roll request Request: 6-sided die x 2

3
3


Message from USA:
Al, my apologies for the delay in responding to your last move. The cold and flu season visited my house this week.

I activate Merritt in 3104 for a march. MA=2d.



25 2/19/2019 2:08:00 AM Turn 1 CSA Die roll request Request: 6-sided die x 2

3
2


Message from CSA:
STUART / (Chambliss) ===> SE of Lath Mill
(Hampton) ===> N-2134
Jenkins ===> NW of EMMITSBURG

>INITIATIVE< ?
24 2/19/2019 1:28:00 AM Turn 1 CSA Die roll request Request: 6-sided die x 2

6
2


Message from CSA:
STUART / 3 Brigades [+3]
23 2/19/2019 12:32:00 AM Turn 1 USA Message CSA gets it. Over to you. I will put a new log file in our dropbox.

22 2/19/2019 12:30:00 AM Turn 1 USA Die roll request Request: 6-sided die x 2

1
5


Message from USA:
USA
CSA

21 2/19/2019 12:30:00 AM Turn 1 USA Message MA=6. His two divisions of Gamble and Devin go to fatigue 1 and move from 3611 along the road to 3009. Should mention that Bufurd is attached to Gamble.

Rolling for initiative next.
20 2/19/2019 12:25:00 AM Turn 1 USA Die roll request Request: 6-sided die x 2

1
4


Message from USA:
Buford movement allowance die roll.

19 2/19/2019 12:25:00 AM Turn 1 USA Message USA again. Buford activates the two 1st division units with him in 3611. MA=2d+1. That roll coming next.

18 2/19/2019 12:24:00 AM Turn 1 USA Die roll request Request: 6-sided die x 2

5
1


Message from USA:
USA
CSA

17 2/19/2019 12:24:00 AM Turn 1 USA Message No Effect. Custer moves the same route as Richmond from 2709 to 1907, Custer fatigue now 2.

Rolling for initiative next.

16 2/19/2019 12:22:00 AM Turn 1 USA Die roll request Request: 6-sided die x 1

4


Message from USA:
Custer extended march roll.

15 2/19/2019 12:22:00 AM Turn 1 USA Message No effect. Richmond moves as follows.
Fatigue goes to 2.
2709>2608(1MP)>2508(2MP)>2407(3MP)>2307(4MP)>2207(5MP)>
2107(6MP)>2007(7MP)>1907(8MP).
End Richmond march. Now Custer march. EM roll coming next. Should mention that Kilpatrick is attached to Richmond.


14 2/19/2019 12:16:00 AM Turn 1 USA Die roll request Request: 6-sided die x 1

5


Message from USA:
Richmond EM roll.

13 2/19/2019 12:15:00 AM Turn 1 USA Message Movement allowance = 8.
Richmond will move first again. EM roll coming.

12 2/19/2019 12:14:00 AM Turn 1 USA Die roll request Request: 6-sided die x 2

3
4


Message from USA:
Movement allowance = 2d+1.

11 2/19/2019 12:13:00 AM Turn 1 USA Message USA gets it. Kilpatrick will activate the same 2 cav units. Since they are exhausted and going to fatigue 2, they will have to make an extended march die roll with a +0 mod.
10 2/19/2019 12:08:00 AM Turn 1 USA Die roll request Request: 6-sided die x 2

6
1


Message from USA:
Initiative Roll
USA
CSA
9 2/19/2019 12:07:00 AM Turn 1 USA Message Richmond goes to fatigue 1 and moves as follows.
3104>3004(1MP)>3005(2MP)>2906(3MP)>2907(4MP)>2908(5MP)>
2808(6MP)>2709(7MP), end move.

Custer goes to fatigue 1 and makes the same move from 3104 to 2709.

Rolling for next initiative next. USA is top die.


8 2/18/2019 11:59:00 PM Turn 1 USA Message MA=7.
7 2/18/2019 11:59:00 PM Turn 1 USA Die roll request Request: 6-sided die x 2

1
5


Message from USA:
Kilpatrick activates Custer and Richmond for marching. MA=2d+1.

6 2/18/2019 9:37:00 PM Turn 1 CSA Message All good, back to you.
5 2/18/2019 5:36:00 PM Turn 1 USA Message Al:

Almost forgot to start the game with a leader transfer phase. The USA does no transfer. Over to you for CSA leader transfer.

Since nothing happened, normally I would not send a Vassal file for this, but to make sure our system is working, I will send a game file and an opening log file. LMK if they work for you.
4 2/16/2019 9:12:00 PM Turn 1 CSA Message Ok, same sides, no changes.
As for Vassal, I opened up a Dropbox file, but see no need to send each time, just double-check now and again.
Keeping track of Fatigue on ACTS is helpful enough.
Y
So, do your worst..
3 2/16/2019 3:12:00 PM Turn 1 USA Message Al:

I should also check if you want to exchange Vassal files to record our moves in addition to writing them on ACTS?

Mike

2 2/16/2019 2:35:00 PM Turn 1 USA Message Hi Al:

I think we should keep the rules as written - no optionals and initiative as in the basic rulebook. To change them could have significant play balance effects. I do like experimenting, but I don't like doing so in tournament games.

I am ready to play with the sides as given if you are ok with it after I have shot down your optional rules (sorry). LMK, and we can either send in our bids, or I will send in the opening orders as USA starts with the initiative.

Good luck,
Mike
1 2/15/2019 11:02:00 PM Turn 1 CSA Message Hi Mike, I am (GMT+8) time zone.

Happy with your side or shall we bid?

Just a few comments:

I am happy to use the optional rule of activating Fatigue-4 units which aren't Dis-organised.

I also think initiative should be equal as in last round, as it's basically a Cav scenario.
Al

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