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329 3/21/2019 12:46:00 PM Spring 1916 Allies Message Losses to CT for Sedan attack if you inflict 7LF. Otherwise to Verdun.
328 3/21/2019 12:35:00 PM Spring 1916 Allies Play Strategy card as Operations #50: 4 / Allenby (BR Reinforcements)
May only be played after "Sinai Pipeline". Place the British NE Army in Alexandria. See 9.5.3.4.

Message from Allies:
AP4: OPS
AA Verdun + CT attack Sedan. 12 v 16
A Brussels attacks Liege. 9 v 12
M Petrograd: RU2+5+11 -> Dvinsk
327 3/21/2019 12:32:00 PM Spring 1916 Allies Message 4/4. FRc and FR6 flipped. GE6 flipped in Strasbourg
CC still on table
326 3/21/2019 12:31:00 PM Spring 1916 Allies Die roll request Request: 6-sided die x 2

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Message from Allies:
Nancy
CP 15
AP 12
325 3/21/2019 12:31:00 PM Spring 1916 Allies Play Strategy card as Combat #39: 2 / They Shall Not Pass
Cancels any retreat for losing a combat if defending in a non-destroyed FR fort space. A FR unit must be present in the space. Card remains face up until a combat is lost or until end of turn.

Message from Allies:
Might as well play this.
324 3/21/2019 12:25:00 PM Spring 1916 Central Powers Message T2 in Sedan
323 3/21/2019 12:25:00 PM Spring 1916 Central Powers Die roll request Request: 6-sided die x 1

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Message from Central Powers:
Trench roll Sedan
322 3/21/2019 12:25:00 PM Spring 1916 Central Powers Play Strategy card as Operations #28: 4 / Tsar Takes Command
May only be played if the Russian Capitulation marker is in the "Tsar Takes Command Allowed" box.

Message from Central Powers:
CP4 Ops
Sedan: Dig
Szeged: AH5 to Munkacs through Clujj (+1 VP)
Metz + Strasbourg: Armies only attack Nancy, losses from Strasbourg
321 3/21/2019 12:10:00 PM Spring 1916 Allies Play Strategy card as Operations #35: 4 / Yanks and Tanks
Allied player conducts operations using this card and all Combats involving a US unit during this Action Round get a +2 drm.

Message from Allies:
AP4: OPS
MM Brussels: BE1 -> Ostend
M CT: BR4 -> Brussels. BR3 -> Cambrai
M Paris: FR1+2+9 -> CT
320 3/21/2019 12:06:00 PM Spring 1916 Central Powers Play Strategy card as Event #54: 5 / H-L Take Command
Allows play of "Michel", "Blucher", "Peace Offensive", "Hoffman", and "U-Boats Unleashed". Prevents play of "Place of Execution". Current and future German MOs become “None”.

War Status increased to 13

Message from Central Powers:
CP3 Event
319 3/21/2019 1:01:00 AM Spring 1916 Allies Play Strategy card as Replacement Points #55: 5 / Over There
May be played on any turn after "Zimmerman Telegram". Allows play of "US Reinforcements". ALL Allied RP cards played now include 1 US RP.

Replacement points: A: 1, BR: 3, FR: 3, IT: 2, RU: 4

Message from Allies:
AP2: RPs
318 3/20/2019 5:33:00 PM Spring 1916 Central Powers Play Strategy card as Replacement Points #53: 5 / Bolshevik Revolution
May only be played if Russian Capitulation marker is in the "Bolshevik Revolution Allowed" box. No more than 1 RU RP may be spent each turn. Current and future RU MOs become “None”.

Replacement points: AH: 3, BU: 1, GE: 4, TU: 2

Message from Central Powers:
CP2 RPs
317 3/20/2019 1:04:00 AM Spring 1916 Allies Play Strategy card as Operations #40: 2 / 14 Points
May only be played after "Zimmermann Telegram". Only the Allied player may offer Peace Terms for the rest of the game. Subtract 1 VP.

Message from Allies:
Didn't see your log in the dropbox so just added your RPs and stuff on my first file.

AP1: OPS
Munkacs: RU4+8 -> K-P. (RUc) -> Czernowitz
London: BR5 -> Brussels
316 3/19/2019 5:45:00 PM Spring 1916 Central Powers Message Flip GE11, Advance GE8 to Stanislaw
315 3/19/2019 5:26:00 PM Spring 1916 Allies Message 7/3. RU3 -> (RUc). RU6 flipped.
Retreat (RU6) and RU7 to Lutsk. (RUc) to Lemberg.

Losses and advance?
314 3/19/2019 5:24:00 PM Spring 1916 Allies Die roll request Request: 6-sided die x 2

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3


Message from Allies:
Nope. Stanislaw.
CP 16
AP remnants
313 3/19/2019 5:24:00 PM Spring 1916 Allies Die roll request Request: 6-sided die x 1

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Message from Allies:
Rolling if my RUc strikes your GEc.
312 3/19/2019 5:22:00 PM Spring 1916 Central Powers Message Succesful; 16 vs Russian remnants
311 3/19/2019 5:22:00 PM Spring 1916 Central Powers Die roll request Request: 6-sided die x 1

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Message from Central Powers:
Flank roll in Stanislaw, succes on 3+ since Lemberg has been eliminated first.
310 3/19/2019 5:21:00 PM Spring 1916 Central Powers Play Strategy card as Operations #45: 4 / Treaty of Brest Litovsk
May only be played after "Bolshevik Revolution". RU units may no longer attack. CP units may not attack RU units except TU units may attack on the Near East map. Both sides may still move into unoccupied spaces and may still suffer attrition, besiege forts, and resolve sieges. Also see 5.5.2.

Message from Central Powers:
CP1 Ops
A: Przemysl: AH4+GEc attack Lemberg, eliminates RUc, no advance; possible loss to GEc

next..
A: Uzghorod units + GE8 in Przemysl flank Stanislaw; no CC, advance and losses depends.
309 3/19/2019 5:17:00 PM Spring 1916 Allies Message Oh, French had a (FRc) in Nancy. I had one Replacement-point remaining, so I could flip that too.
308 3/19/2019 5:08:00 PM Spring 1916 Allies Draw Strategy cards
307 3/19/2019 5:08:00 PM Spring 1916 Central Powers Draw Strategy cards T war cards added to deck.
306 3/19/2019 5:08:00 PM Winter 1916 Central Powers End Turn
305 3/19/2019 5:08:00 PM Winter 1916 Central Powers Message Done & France
304 3/19/2019 5:07:00 PM Winter 1916 Central Powers Die roll request Request: 6-sided die x 2

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Message from Central Powers:
MO
CP
AP
303 3/19/2019 5:07:00 PM Winter 1916 Central Powers Message -1 VP for Blockade
302 3/19/2019 5:06:00 PM Winter 1916 Central Powers Message CP RPs
GE4: Flip (GE8) in Przemysl, flip (GEc) in Przemysl, Belgrade, Miskolcz and Metz; rebuild GEc in RB
AH3: Flip (AH7) in Uzghorod, rebuild AH1 in Budapest
TU: Full
BU: full
301 3/19/2019 5:03:00 PM Winter 1916 Central Powers Discard Strategy card #2: 2 / Wireless Intercepts

Message from Central Powers:
300 3/19/2019 5:02:00 PM Winter 1916 Allies Discard Strategy card #7: 2 / Severe Weather

Message from Allies:
299 3/19/2019 5:02:00 PM Winter 1916 Allies Message Sieges: None
Attrition: No

RPs
RU7: RU2+5+11 -> Petrograd. Rebuild 1 RUc
BR5: Full
FR5: Rebuild FR1+2
IT3: Rebuild IT3. Rebuild ITc
A2: Full
298 3/19/2019 4:59:00 PM Winter 1916 Allies Play Strategy card as Replacement Points #29: 4 / Yudenitch (RU Reinforcements)
Place the Russian CAU Army in any supplied space in Russia on the Near East map. Can enter prior to TU entry.

Replacement points: A: 1, BR: 2, FR: 2, IT: 1, RU: 3

Message from Allies:
AP6: RPs
297 3/19/2019 4:23:00 PM Winter 1916 Central Powers Message Flip GE8 and GEc - no advance
296 3/19/2019 4:18:00 PM Winter 1916 Allies Message 7/4.
RU5 -> (RUc)
(RU2) -> RUc

Retreat (RUc) to Bialystok and RUc to Rovno.
Losses and advance?
295 3/19/2019 4:17:00 PM Winter 1916 Allies Die roll request Request: 6-sided die x 2

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Message from Allies:
Lublin:
CP 10
AP 5
294 3/19/2019 4:13:00 PM Winter 1916 Central Powers Play Strategy card as Operations #29: 2 / 11th Army
The GE 11th Army (only) and any CP Corp(s) may stack together and be Activated for a cost of 1 OPS point. If a second CP army is present, then the activation cost for the space is 2 OPS points. This event does not supercede rule 12.1.11.

Message from Central Powers:
CP6 Ops
Przemysl attack Lublin 10 vs 5
293 3/19/2019 4:08:00 PM Winter 1916 Allies Play Strategy card as Event #42: 3 / British Reinforcements (5th Army)
5th Army, 1 corps, PT Corps.

Message from Allies:
AP5: BR reinf
292 3/19/2019 4:08:00 PM Winter 1916 Central Powers Play Strategy card as Replacement Points #33: 5 / Walter Rathenau
Add 1 extra GE RP during the Replacement Phase of every turn even if the CP did not play Replacements on a turn. Can be played for War Status after Independent Airforce.

Replacement points: AH: 3, BU: 1, GE: 4, TU: 2

Message from Central Powers:
CP5 RPs
291 3/19/2019 4:02:00 PM Winter 1916 Allies Play Strategy card as Event #37: 2 / Independent Air Force
Cancel or prevent Rathenau Event bonus GE RP for the rest of the game.

War Status increased to 15

Message from Allies:
AP4: EVent.
290 3/19/2019 3:40:00 PM Winter 1916 Central Powers Play Strategy card as Event #27: 4 / Zeppelin Raids
Subtract 4 BR RPs from the BR RP total during the Replacement Phase of this turn.

War Status increased to 11

Message from Central Powers:
CP4 Event
289 3/19/2019 12:07:00 AM Winter 1916 Allies Play Strategy card as Replacement Points #54: 5 / Zimmermann Telegram
May only be played if U.S. entry marker is in the "Zimmerman Telegram Allowed" box. Subtract 1 VP. US joins the Allies. Allows play of "Over There" on any following turn.

Replacement points: A: 1, BR: 3, FR: 3, IT: 2, RU: 4

Message from Allies:
AP3: RPs
288 3/18/2019 4:31:00 PM Winter 1916 Central Powers Play Strategy card as Operations #18: 2 / Fortified Machine Guns
A GE entrenched defender adds a +1 drm.

Message from Central Powers:
CP3 Ops
Nis: (GEc) -> Belgrade, AH5 -> Szeged
Tarnow: GE11 -> Uzghorod, GEc -> Przemysl, (GEc) -> Miskolz
287 3/18/2019 4:21:00 PM Winter 1916 Central Powers Message Result 5/4
AH1 -> (AHc), (AHc) -> Czestochowa, (GEc) -> Tarnow
Losses and advance?
286 3/18/2019 4:19:00 PM Winter 1916 Allies Message No advance to Ivangorod. Elim RUc and flip RU2 to cover losses.
285 3/18/2019 4:17:00 PM Winter 1916 Central Powers Die roll request Request: 6-sided die x 2

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Message from Central Powers:
Battle of Ivangorod 7 v 4
AP
CP
284 3/18/2019 4:15:00 PM Winter 1916 Central Powers Message ouch... not really what i needed....
Result 7/5
RU11 -> (RUc)
AH2 -> (AHc), AH7 -> (AH7). (AHc) eliminated to prevent retreat
283 3/18/2019 4:10:00 PM Winter 1916 Central Powers Die roll request Request: 6-sided die x 2

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Message from Central Powers:
Battle of Uzghorod
15 vs 9 (+2 DRM)
AP
CP
282 3/18/2019 4:09:00 PM Winter 1916 Central Powers Play Strategy card as Combat #4: 2 / Severe Weather
Defending units in a mountain space in Fall/Winter or a swamp space in Spring/Fall get a +2 drm.

Message from Central Powers:
CC for battle of Uzghorod + 2 DRM
281 3/18/2019 2:39:00 PM Winter 1916 Allies Play Strategy card as Event #46: 4 / Brusilov Offensive
Allied player conducts Operations using this card and adds a +1 drm to ALL RU attacks this Action Round. Also, for 1 RU attack vs. Only non-GE CP units cancel all trench effects. Play prior to Attempt Flank Attack Step.

War Status increased to 14

Message from Allies:
AP2: Event, 4OPS
AA Stanislaw + Muncaks attack Uzhgorod. 15+ v 9. Losses to Munkacks.
A Lublin attacks Ivangorod. 6+ v 4. If 4 or 2 LF, elim RUc first
M Melun: FR5 -> Grenoble

280 3/18/2019 2:28:00 PM Winter 1916 Central Powers Play Strategy card as Operations #16: 2 / Liman Von Sanders
A TU (SN unit does not count) attack or defense adds a +1 drm.

Message from Central Powers:
CP2 Ops
Breslau GE11 -> Tarnow
Budapest AH7 -> Uzghorod
279 3/17/2019 11:58:00 PM Winter 1916 Allies Play Strategy card as Operations #45: 3 / Kerensky Offensive
May only be played after "Fall of Tsar" and before the "Bolshevik Revolution". Allied player conducts Operations using this card and one RU attack vs. a space with any AH, BU, or TU units adds a +2 drm. AL player announces intent to use this effect prior to the CP player’s use of defensive CC.

Message from Allies:
AP1: OPS
Kharkov: RU9+10+12 -> Dubno
Czernowitz: RU4+8+11 -> Munkacs via Cluj
Grodno: RU2+RUc -> Lublin
278 3/17/2019 5:29:00 PM Winter 1916 Central Powers Message Ok.. redo CP1.. Still playing Libyan Revolt for 3 OPS

M: Munkacs: AH11 -> Uzghorod, (AH3) -> Debrecan, (GEc) -> Ivangorod
M: Warszaw: GE8 -> Przemysl
277 3/17/2019 5:26:00 PM Winter 1916 Central Powers Return Strategy card to hand #2: 2 / Wireless Intercepts

Message from Central Powers:
276 3/17/2019 3:52:00 PM Winter 1916 Central Powers Message well.. this time you are certainly right :)

I need to look into that - probably need another strategy - but it wont be before later tonight or tomorrow.. be back
275 3/17/2019 3:46:00 PM Winter 1916 Allies Message Now I'm certain that activating Munkcas costs 2OP. You have 2 AH units there + GEc. Sud army not active.

Wanna attack from only 2 spaces or play a bigger card? You need Munkacs at least if you wish to play Wireless Intercepts.
274 3/17/2019 3:42:00 PM Winter 1916 Central Powers Play Strategy card as Combat #2: 2 / Wireless Intercepts
A Flank Attack Attempt involving at least one German unit (army or corps) vs. a space containing only RU units is automatically successful.

Message from Central Powers:
273 3/17/2019 3:42:00 PM Winter 1916 Central Powers Play Strategy card as Operations #24: 3 / Libyan Revolt (TU Reinforcements)
May only be played if there are no Allied units in the Libya space. Place the SN unit in Libya. SN unit is always in supply. Space converted by the SN units are checked normally during the Attrition phase.

Message from Central Powers:
CP1 Ops
All units in Przemysl, Uzghorod and Munkacs flank attack Stanislaw once again... Flank attempt succesful due to CC. 10 vs remnants
272 3/17/2019 3:39:00 PM Winter 1916 Allies Draw Strategy cards
271 3/17/2019 3:37:00 PM Winter 1916 Central Powers Message None and Russians
270 3/17/2019 3:37:00 PM Winter 1916 Central Powers Die roll request Request: 6-sided die x 2

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Message from Central Powers:
MO
CP
AP
269 3/17/2019 3:37:00 PM Winter 1916 Central Powers Draw Strategy cards
268 3/17/2019 3:36:00 PM Fall 1915 Central Powers End Turn
267 3/17/2019 3:36:00 PM Fall 1915 Central Powers Discard Strategy card #31: 3 / Kemal

Message from Central Powers:
266 3/17/2019 3:35:00 PM Fall 1915 Central Powers Message You forgot to flip (SB1) in the file... corrected..
265 3/17/2019 3:34:00 PM Fall 1915 Central Powers Message CP RPs
GE3: GE2 recreated in Essen, flip (GE12) in Sedan
AH2: AH7 to Budapest
TU full
BU full
264 3/17/2019 3:29:00 PM Fall 1915 Allies Message Yup, its 080.
263 3/17/2019 3:26:00 PM Fall 1915 Central Powers Message did you upload a file?
262 3/17/2019 2:49:00 PM Fall 1915 Allies Message Added the updated log.
bty
261 3/17/2019 2:47:00 PM Fall 1915 Allies Message Nice.
Attrition: no
Sieges: no

RP
RU6: flip RU6+7 in Stanislaw. flip RUc in Lemberg. Rebuild RU12 to Kharkov.
BR4: Flip BR4 in CT
FR4: FR9 to Paris. Rebuild 2 corps [6,0]
IT2: Rebuild 2 ITc
A2: Flip SB1 in Skopje
260 3/17/2019 2:43:00 PM Fall 1915 Central Powers Message Result 7/7
GE2 -> (GEc)
FR9 -> (FRc)
259 3/17/2019 2:40:00 PM Fall 1915 Central Powers Die roll request Request: 6-sided die x 2

4
6


Message from Central Powers:
Battle of Metz
258 3/16/2019 2:50:00 PM Fall 1915 Allies Play Strategy card as Operations #28: 4 / Landships
Allows play of "Royal Tank Corps".

Message from Allies:
CP6: OPS
AA Verdun + Nancy attack Metz. Losses to Nancy.
M Tarnopol -> Stanislaw
M K-P -> Czernowitz

Metz: 15 v 16
257 3/16/2019 2:40:00 PM Fall 1915 Central Powers Message Correction: 11th GE go to Breslau
256 3/16/2019 2:38:00 PM Fall 1915 Central Powers Play Strategy card as Event #21: 3 / German Reinforcements (11th Army)
11th Army, 1 corps.

Message from Central Powers:
CP6 Event
Essen
255 3/16/2019 2:33:00 PM Fall 1915 Central Powers Message Eliminate GEc and flip GEc in Nis
254 3/16/2019 10:00:00 AM Fall 1915 Allies Play Strategy card as Replacement Points #48: 4 / Royal Tank Corps
May only be played after "Landships". Cancels trench column shifts for a BR attack against a clear space in France/Belgium. Does not cancel trench effects for flanking, Fortified Machine guns CC, or negation of retreat. May only be used in 1 Combat per turn. ANA, AUS, CND, or PT do not qualify as BR for this purpose.

Replacement points: A: 1, BR: 2, FR: 2, IT: 1, RU: 3

Message from Allies:
Well, you can decide losses, will play this for RPs anyway.
AP5: RPs
253 3/16/2019 9:56:00 AM Fall 1915 Allies Message 3/3 in Skopje. Both CCs to discard. Flip SB1
Losses?
252 3/16/2019 9:55:00 AM Fall 1915 Allies Die roll request Request: 6-sided die x 2

1
3


Message from Allies:
Skopje
CP 5+
AP 4+
251 3/16/2019 9:55:00 AM Fall 1915 Allies Play Strategy card as Combat #5: 2 / Putnik
May only be played in 1914 and 1915. SB units get a +1 drm for an attack or defense.

Message from Allies:
For Skopje
250 3/16/2019 9:45:00 AM Fall 1915 Central Powers Message T1 in Liege
249 3/16/2019 9:45:00 AM Fall 1915 Central Powers Die roll request Request: 6-sided die x 1

3


Message from Central Powers:
Trench roll Liege
248 3/16/2019 9:45:00 AM Fall 1915 Central Powers Play Strategy card as Operations #8: 3 / Race to the Sea
CP units may now end movement in Ostend, Calais, and Amiens. Card may also be played as an event after CP WS is at 4.

Message from Central Powers:
CP5 Ops
Budapest: AH11 -> Munkacs
Liege: GE2 -> Metz, other armies dig

Nis: attack Skopje, 6 vs 4, Alpenkorps still in effect +1 DRM, advance depends
247 3/16/2019 9:40:00 AM Fall 1915 Central Powers Message Result 3/5
GE12 -> (GE12)
BR3 -> (BR3)
246 3/16/2019 9:39:00 AM Fall 1915 Central Powers Die roll request Request: 6-sided die x 2

1
1


Message from Central Powers:
Battle of Sedan 9+ vs 16
AP
CP
245 3/16/2019 8:46:00 AM Fall 1915 Allies Play Strategy card as Combat #18: 2 / Hurricane Barrage
A BR attack adds a +1 drm. ANA, AUS, CND, or PT do not qualify as BR for this purpose.

Message from Allies:
For Sedan. BEF wont participate. BR1+3+4 attack
9+ v 16
Losses to CT
244 3/16/2019 8:46:00 AM Fall 1915 Allies Play Strategy card as Operations #47: 4 / USA Reinforcements (2nd Army)
May only be played after "Over There". 2nd Army, 1 corps.

Message from Allies:
AP4: OPS
M BLD: FR10 -> Verdun, FR9 -> Nancy
M Caucasus: RU4+11 -> K-P
AA Cambrai + CT attack Sedan with CC
243 3/16/2019 8:30:00 AM Fall 1915 Central Powers Play Strategy card as Replacement Points #28: 4 / Tsar Takes Command
May only be played if the Russian Capitulation marker is in the "Tsar Takes Command Allowed" box.

Replacement points: AH: 2, BU: 1, GE: 3, TU: 1

Message from Central Powers:
CP4 RPs
242 3/16/2019 5:25:00 AM Fall 1915 Allies Message Not sure if you've already took a look on this thread in BGG but there are some tips for both AP and CP plays covering Italy.

https://boardgamegeek.com/thread/943717/cp-unstoppable-italy-historical-rules


241 3/16/2019 12:45:00 AM Fall 1915 Allies Play Strategy card as Replacement Points #31: 4 / MEF (BR Reinforcements)
May only be played if Turkey is at war and before "Salonika". May be played as normal reinforcement after Salonika. Place the MEF Army and the Beachhead marker at any MEF space. See 9.5.3.5.

Replacement points: A: 1, BR: 2, FR: 2, IT: 1, RU: 3

Message from Allies:
AP3: RPs
240 3/15/2019 4:55:00 PM Fall 1915 Central Powers Message I see... Im having the 2nd edition of the game - and the rules I have on PDF is the 2010 version.. Just downloaded the Deluxe version for last year.. Kovno it is, which makes a too adventurous GE attack on B-L obsolete...
239 3/15/2019 4:50:00 PM Fall 1915 Central Powers Play Strategy card as Event #23: 3 / Austria - Hungary Reinforcements (11th Army)
11th Army.

Message from Central Powers:
CP3 Event
Budapest
238 3/15/2019 4:01:00 PM Fall 1915 Allies Message Nope, isnt a VP-space on the latest historical scenario rules. It was a VP-space on previous version but was changed to Kovno.

So B-L is just a regular space.
237 3/15/2019 3:56:00 PM Fall 1915 Central Powers Message I asked earlier, but never got an answer: ... Brest-Litovsk is a VP space, right - and counts toward the 3 Russian VPs together with Warzaw and Lodz?
236 3/15/2019 3:48:00 PM Fall 1915 Allies Play Strategy card as Event #11: 3 / Russian Reinforcements (9th Army, 10th Army)
9th Army, 10th Army.

Message from Allies:
AP2: RU reinf. Both to Kharkov
235 3/15/2019 3:47:00 PM Fall 1915 Central Powers Message as stated below; AHc in Uzghorod destroyed
234 3/15/2019 3:45:00 PM Fall 1915 Allies Message ITc in Verona eliminated. AHc flipped. You'll advance 1 army.

4/2 in Stanislaw. Flip both RU armies. (RU6+7) retreat to Tarnopol and (RUc) to Lemberg.

Losses?
233 3/15/2019 3:44:00 PM Fall 1915 Allies Die roll request Request: 6-sided die x 1

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Message from Allies:
Verona, only rolling for my dude.
AP 2c
232 3/15/2019 3:44:00 PM Fall 1915 Central Powers Message eliminate AHc in Uzghorod
231 3/15/2019 3:44:00 PM Fall 1915 Allies Message 4/2 in Stanislaw. Flip both RU armies. (RU6+7) retreat to Tarnopol and (RUc) to Lemberg.

Losses?
230 3/15/2019 3:42:00 PM Fall 1915 Allies Die roll request Request: 6-sided die x 1

1


Message from Allies:
4LF. Flip both RU armies.
Hitting back with 4

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