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|1240||1/16/2021 7:15:00 AM||Turn 9||UK Churchill||Message||
I'm gotten the rules printed and now have them on table
to look at...
|1239||1/16/2021 4:53:00 AM||Turn 9||USSR Stalin||Message||
Yesterday's task was finding Successors and bringing it down from the loft.
|1238||1/5/2021 4:38:00 AM||Turn 9||USSR Stalin||Message||
Yes that's fine. Discuss how we are playing and any possible issues around the middle of the month and start towards the end?
Games I have been enjoying playing online this month: Pax Pamir 2e and Caesar: Rome Vs Gaul. Am not doing too badly in a Sekigahara, but I think the tide is turning against me.
|1237||1/2/2021 8:16:00 PM||Turn 9||UK Churchill||Message||
I honestly have over 6 games going so at LEAST until
Mid Jan is great with me.
|1236||1/2/2021 7:25:00 PM||Turn 9||US Roosevelt||Message||
Shall we aim to start on 17th January then? I'd be perfectly happy leaving it even later (to the end of the month, say) but I don't want to delay things if you two would prefer to get started sooner.
|1235||1/2/2021 4:46:00 PM||Turn 9||UK Churchill||Message||
later is fine with me - I'm just starting to read the rules
|1234||1/2/2021 4:20:00 PM||Turn 9||US Roosevelt||Message||
Yes, my rules have that as well.
I'm reading the rules now and have got as far as Naval Movement. If it's ok with everyone I'd prefer not to start before 10th January, if anyone wants to make it later than that then I'd be happy to start later.
|1233||1/2/2021 4:18:00 AM||Turn 9||USSR Stalin||Message||
That's them. Near the bottom of page 24 it says 'Special Thanks to Richard Berg for his permission to publish this second edition and John B. Firer for all his help' in a box.
|1232||1/1/2021 12:44:00 PM||Turn 9||US Roosevelt||Message||
I've just checked and I do have a copy of the 2nd edition rules. The title page says:
Rules of Play
By: Mark Simonitch and John B. Firer
The official second edition rules to the Hasbro/Avalon Hill game on the battles for Alexander's empire.
Including the title page there are a total of 25 pages in the pdf that I have, and the last page is blank (other than the header) so it's really a 24 page rulebook.
Does that sound like the same rules you have?
|1231||1/1/2021 11:51:00 AM||Turn 9||US Roosevelt||Message||
Happy New Year to both of you.
AH 2nd works for me, I have a copy of the game at my house in Cheltenham and I'll retrieve it early next week. I'm pretty sure I have a copy of the 2nd edition rules downloaded somewhere, if not then I assume they're on either csw or bgg?
|1230||1/1/2021 5:27:00 AM||Turn 9||USSR Stalin||Message||
My preference is AH with 2nd Ed. The games on here at the moment seem to be rather content free. I'll get my physical game down in the next day or two and make a temporary game to see if the cards match those in my edition. I suspect that the module here is AH era.
|1229||12/26/2020 7:16:00 PM||Turn 9||US Roosevelt||Message||
So which version are we going to play. Looking at the GMT page it says there are some map changes and that most "nearly every card has had some minor modifications and a few new cards have been added". There are different Vassal modules for the GMT and AH versions, but only one version on ACTS that I can see.
|1228||12/26/2020 6:37:00 AM||Turn 9||UK Churchill||Message||
I am digging out the rules and will start to read
them over the next week.
|1227||12/26/2020 1:36:00 AM||Turn 9||USSR Stalin||Message||
The Successors I have is the original Avalon Hill one and I've used the 'Second Edition Rules' that Mark Simonitch put out to tidy things up. The subsequent editions don't seem to be much different and I have played a friend's copy of the GMT version.
|1226||12/22/2020 5:48:00 PM||Turn 9||US Roosevelt||Message||
Successors is fine with me - it's also the one I've played least recently, although the most recent was Wellington in, probably, 2013.
|1225||12/22/2020 5:43:00 PM||Turn 9||USSR Stalin||Die roll request||
Request: 2-sided die x 1
Message from USSR Stalin:
Roll here for a non ACTS game I am going to play with Alan Green of Caesar: R v G. I see there is now a custom module for it, but we are going for pure Vassal + Telegram. If it works. 1 He is Rome, 2 I am Rome.
|1224||12/22/2020 5:40:00 PM||Turn 9||USSR Stalin||Message||
I'd rather play Successors if poss as have played Sword of Rome and Wellington recently (if the logic makes sense).
|1223||12/21/2020 2:12:00 PM||Turn 9||US Roosevelt||Message||
Or a 3-player Wellington?
|1222||12/21/2020 2:11:00 PM||Turn 9||US Roosevelt||Message||
Sword of Rome would work for me as well, although it must be twelve years or so since I last played. I think it has a 3-player option? (Something with the Gauls iirc?)
|1221||12/18/2020 5:32:00 AM||Turn 9||UK Churchill||Message||
AH..that is what I remember.
I'm not sure I have have read the rules to Successors
but Have seen it at the WBC
Well, time to go to GTM and look a the rules.
|1220||12/18/2020 2:11:00 AM||Turn 9||USSR Stalin||Message||
>Paul, we did play a VASSAL game with 4 players I think quite a while ago.
Must have been a long time ago? Are you sure? We played Sword of Rome not too long ago.
|1219||12/17/2020 6:13:00 AM||Turn 9||UK Churchill||Message||
I'd prefer to do this one again after first of the year
but willing to try Successors after that?
Paul, we did play a VASSAL game with 4 players I think quite a while ago.
|1218||12/17/2020 2:44:00 AM||Turn 9||USSR Stalin||Message||
Successors: I don't remember playing it via ACTS, but have played a number of games over the years since it first came out. I think it would work well in this format. With 3 players one turns over a card in the slot of the absent 4th player and uses the event so far as I can remember.
|1217||12/17/2020 2:40:00 AM||Turn 9||USSR Stalin||Message||
>I concentrated on the Pol-Mil side early because I was surprised at how many points came from that in the first game,
I sometimes found that when I took a P-M issue I didn't always want to devote the production to activating it. Until things were rolling along in the west the eastern front doesn't see much movement.
|1216||12/13/2020 5:21:00 PM||Turn 9||US Roosevelt||Message||
Successors would be fine with me, although I've only played once or twice (and that was at a WBC at Hunt Valley, so at least sixteen years ago). I'd probably not want to start until mid-January.
|1215||12/13/2020 5:19:00 PM||Turn 9||US Roosevelt||Message||
I concentrated on the Pol-Mil side early because I was surprised at how many points came from that in the first game, and I think that served me well in towards the end of the game because I'd already biult a base which you two had to pay to dismantle before you could build your own markers there.
I probably spent too many resources on that which, combined with the UK (over?)emphasis on progress in the CBI, delayed the UK/US progress against Germany and allowed Russia to get too many points. The early victory over Japan also allowed Russia to concentrate on Germany without us being able to, e.g., use an MO to force them to divide their efforts.
I'd probably play mostly the same next time as the USA, with perhaps just a little less effort on the Pol-Mil side until after D-Day.
|1214||12/7/2020 3:58:00 AM||Turn 9||USSR Stalin||Message||
It was quite a game. I am fine with playing at this sort of pace. It generates different levels of insight. However, I do sometimes forget the rules. Being able to call them up as a PDF helps.
>It was a long game but willing to start again perhaps after the Christmas / New Year Holiday
I'm happy to play another 3-way game. I'd rather take a break form Churchill for a while though. Successors might be a good candidate and is on here.
|1213||12/6/2020 6:34:00 AM||Turn 9||UK Churchill||Message||
It was a long game but willing to start again perhaps after the Christmas / New Year Holiday?
I would also like to know both of your thoughts as to
what MIGHT have gone better (or worse) for each of your sides. I'll try to come up with something for the British myself.
|1212||12/6/2020 6:32:00 AM||Turn 9||UK Churchill||Message||
>Paul, do you have the actual breakdown on how the last turn got scored?
Never mind I got it in the other mailing
|1211||12/6/2020 6:21:00 AM||Turn 9||UK Churchill||Message||
Paul, do you have the actual breakdown on how the last turn got scored?
So, If I had gotten into Italy on overrun (with NO Axis troops opposing me....) I would have won? or at least come closer to a tie - BTW, who would have won then?
the winner of more conferences (me?)
|1210||12/6/2020 2:25:00 AM||Turn 9||USSR Stalin||Message||
What happened: the Soviets ended up too powerful having reached Berlin and scooped 15 - 0 - 0 points with the A-Bomb.
The other two Allies therefore team up with the one ahead, USA, winning.
The CBI success with no A-Bomb use v Japan is a key part of this story.
|1209||12/6/2020 2:23:00 AM||Turn 9||USSR Stalin||Message||
No Alliance Victory. 4.41. Soviets 31VP ahead of UK.
Broken Alliance. 4.42. Soviet 72 not greater than 45 + 41.
Second highest score, USA, therefore wins.
|1208||12/6/2020 2:18:00 AM||Turn 9||USSR Stalin||Edit VPs||
USSR Stalin: from 51 to 72
US Roosevelt: from 43 to 45
UK Churchill: from 42 to 41
|1207||12/6/2020 2:16:00 AM||Turn 9||USSR Stalin||Message||
Soviets are well ahead. I can't see the German Tech markers in the Vassal module.
|1206||12/6/2020 1:52:00 AM||Turn 9||USSR Stalin||Message||
>Russia entered Germany so that's it right?
Sorry. Opened file and saw Germany had not been entered, but forgot it was a log file not a sav one. I'll score it.
|1205||12/5/2020 3:20:00 PM||Turn 9||US Roosevelt||Message||
Oops, I was obviously remembering something from a different game. You're right, if he is more than 20 points ahead of whoever has the lowest score, then the player with the second-highest score wins. So it's going to be close and we might both have actually made the best plays for ourselves by not getting into Germany.
|1204||12/5/2020 2:57:00 PM||Turn 9||UK Churchill||Message||
>Paul was already far enough ahead that the 16 points he gets for being the only one in Germany will be more than enough for a clear victory.
But I thought the WINNER if too far ahead goes back to the back of the pack or some such thing
|1203||12/5/2020 2:43:00 PM||Turn 9||US Roosevelt||Message||
I couldn't put any more into the Western Front as I was forced to spend two on the DO in the Eastern Front and I needed two to activate the Pol-Mil issues I'd won. If we'd got into Germany as well then Paul might not have been far enough ahead for the win, so I needed to take points off the UK and I could only do that with the Pol-Mil play.
|1202||12/5/2020 2:38:00 PM||Turn 9||US Roosevelt||Message||
Yes, Germany and Japan have both fallen so the game is over. I think it's going to be a convincing win for Russia. Paul was already far enough ahead that the 16 points he gets for being the only one in Germany will be more than enough for a clear victory.
|1201||12/5/2020 2:29:00 PM||Turn 9||UK Churchill||Message||
Russia entered Germany so that's it right?
|1200||12/5/2020 2:28:00 PM||Turn 9||USSR Stalin||Message||
Thanks for this. Will look through and calculate scores. The game goes on? I had expected an ending.
|1199||12/3/2020 7:12:00 AM||Turn 9||UK Churchill||Message||
Russians have gained 14 points -
Guess US should have put more into W Front or
convinced Brits to not do the Med?
|1198||12/3/2020 7:10:00 AM||Turn 9||UK Churchill||Die roll request||
Request: 10-sided die x 1
Message from UK Churchill:
Russian roll is 21 so OVERRUN/Break Through so into Germany
Now the Western Front
Brt/US have 5 (so 10) but Germans have 4 so 8
thus only a +2 advantage needing an 8 or better
|1197||12/3/2020 7:00:00 AM||Turn 9||UK Churchill||Die roll request||
Request: 10-sided die x 1
Message from UK Churchill:
A weak British front advances only 1 space
UK gains 2 points this turn,
Now for Soviet Front.
Russians have 7 (so 14) vs Nazi 2 - so total of 12
|1196||12/3/2020 6:57:00 AM||Turn 9||UK Churchill||Die roll request||
Request: 10-sided die x 1
Message from UK Churchill:
attempt at Front Advancements.
1. If there are fewer than three naval markers in a theater box
(five if Normandy) and the Front is attempting to advance
into an amphibious entry space, the Front automatically fails
to advance, and no die roll is made.
Does not matter here:
2. Each military offensive support in the entry space adds two to the Frontís strength.
4 OS so 8 and NO Axis defense
|1195||12/2/2020 4:08:00 PM||Turn 9||US Roosevelt||Message||
Now to place the Axis reserves.n Following 7.62:
Priority 1 - two armies remain in Germany
Priority 2 - one army is placed in East Germany
Prioirities 3, 4 and 5 do not apply
Priority 6 - the last two armies remain in Germany
That's all reserves placed. Please check I've got the board right and then we can check for advances and see if the war has ended.
|1194||12/2/2020 3:57:00 PM||Turn 9||US Roosevelt||Message||
I'll use two PA markers to remove the UK's one in Vietnam, and the third to place a US one there.
|1193||12/2/2020 2:47:00 PM||Turn 9||US Roosevelt||Message||
That's right, I'm just about do that (within the hour)
|1192||12/2/2020 2:23:00 PM||Turn 9||USSR Stalin||Message||
I think USA is the only power placing Political Alignment markers as I didn't activate my issue and UK didn't corner an issue. USA won Pol-Mil 2/2 and Pol-Mil 1/3
|1191||12/1/2020 5:55:00 AM||Turn 9||UK Churchill||Message||
>UK only has one
I'll place 1 in Persia to counter the Red Hoard.
(removing the Red marker)
I thought about dong the same in Cambodia but
I see too much Red on the board (I am Churchill bty)...
|1190||12/1/2020 5:00:00 AM||Turn 9||USSR Stalin||Message||
Place Soviet CNs in Poland and Baltic States again, but this time the Poland one merely removes the USA CN there.
|1189||11/30/2020 4:39:00 PM||Turn 9||US Roosevelt||Message||
I have six CNs to place (five from Pol-Mil chits, plus my inherent one).
I will discard one to remove the UK CN in Vietnam and I will then place two CNs in Vietnam and one CN in each of Czechoslovakia, Poland the Netherlands.
Since Russia has two CNs to place and the UK only has one, it's now Pauls's turn to place CNs.
|1188||11/29/2020 6:43:00 PM||Turn 9||USSR Stalin||Message||
Correct. You have a shedload of them from the two issues. Ignore Soviet CNs in Poland and Baltic States. Have sent a corrected status file.
|1187||11/28/2020 7:27:00 PM||Turn 9||US Roosevelt||Message||
...tomorrow means Sunday afternoon UK time.
|1186||11/28/2020 7:26:00 PM||Turn 9||US Roosevelt||Message||
Sorry, I'd lost track of where we were (and also, again, confused myself that I was UK and not US).
I think Paul has made a mistake, if you look at entry #1175 you'll see that I activated the two Pol-Mil issues that I won and that gives me 6cn's to place (including my inherent 1cn) so I should place first.
Can you check I've got that right. If so, I should be able to do my placements tomorrow.
|1185||11/28/2020 5:51:00 PM||Turn 9||USSR Stalin||Message||
Truman has a choice to make.
|1184||11/24/2020 3:45:00 AM||Turn 9||USSR Stalin||Message||
No this is one I have only played to standard rules. Secret agendas I reserve for 13 Days.
|1183||11/22/2020 8:10:00 AM||Turn 9||UK Churchill||Message||
Has either of you two played this game with the SECRET agenda option?
this could vary the final score by up to 15 points which would be HUGE I'm gussing
|1182||11/22/2020 1:58:00 AM||Turn 9||USSR Stalin||Message||
Soviets won the Global Issue and as they have both markers they are concerned with in their favour, nothing happens.
CN placement is next. We each get one automatically, but Soviets will have two as one was generated from a card so place first.
Place Soviet CNs in Poland and Baltic States. Remember we are only playing the Europe map.
US now to decide whether they of UK place a marker next.
|1181||11/22/2020 1:51:00 AM||Turn 9||USSR Stalin||Die roll request||
Request: 6-sided die x 1
Message from USSR Stalin:
No modifiers from production markers, so this advances the blue research marker to the final space on a 4-6. The Soviets will advance the red pawn automatically as they won the issue.
|1180||11/22/2020 1:49:00 AM||Turn 9||USSR Stalin||Message||
A Bomb roll next. All three of us can benefit in varying degrees in this phase. Stalin wants this roll to fail though.
|1179||11/21/2020 8:04:00 AM||Turn 9||UK Churchill||Message||
I'll keep the production putting 2 more in Med and one in the Western front
|1178||11/15/2020 12:46:00 PM||Turn 9||USSR Stalin||Message||
6.9 Theatre Leadership is next.
Bob won European Theatre Leadership so decides who gets it per 6.92, generating two support. Then there's 1 for having Theatre Leadership. The UK can award leadership to the USA, but if they don't they get another 3 support placements.
|1177||11/15/2020 12:41:00 PM||Turn 9||USSR Stalin||Message||
Sorry to hear about Bob's computer issue.
Soviets have 3 production and convert them to 3 OS on the Eastern Front driving for Berlin.
|1176||11/13/2020 6:21:00 AM||Turn 9||UK Churchill||Message||
I'll place 2 in Med area
and 2 in Germany area
|1175||11/12/2020 12:42:00 PM||Turn 9||US Roosevelt||Message||
USA uses two production to activate the Pol-Mil 2/2 and Pol-Mil 1/3 issues, two to place offensive support in East Germany (as required by the DO) and two to place offensive support in Germany (supporting the Western Fron's advance).
|1174||11/11/2020 4:48:00 PM||Turn 9||USSR Stalin||Message||
US directed offensive to E Germany (rationale the reverse of that in the 6.7 design note).
Restriction on card for CBI irrelevant as Japan has fallen. No change for UK production issue as won by UK.
UK gets base 4, USA 6, Sov 3.
Next USA allocate production.
|1173||11/11/2020 4:39:00 PM||Turn 9||USSR Stalin||Edit Conferences Won||
USSR Stalin: from 1 to 2
US Roosevelt: from 2 to 2
UK Churchill: from 5 to 5
|1172||11/11/2020 4:39:00 PM||Turn 9||USSR Stalin||Message||
Soviets win conference 9, 4-2-2.
|1171||11/11/2020 4:38:00 PM||Turn 9||USSR Stalin||Message||
Voronov played. He's a 3 and moves the US Directed Offensive from UK 1 to Soviet 2. Additionally he gets an OS marker in the Eastern Front (placed for E Germany entry).
|1170||11/11/2020 4:53:00 AM||Turn 9||USSR Stalin||Message||
A +3 is significant. I'll make my final play later. Can I win the conference for a change?
|1169||11/10/2020 5:04:00 PM||Turn 9||US Roosevelt||Message||
It turns out we were waiting for me, sorry.
I'll play William J. Donovan. He's a 2 with a +3 for Pol-Mil issues and I'll move the Pol-Mil 1/3 from the UK-4 space to the USA-1 space. Back to Paul to finish off the card play for this conference.
|1168||11/10/2020 5:31:00 AM||Turn 9||UK Churchill||Message||
Where are we?
Is it USA turn?
|1167||11/5/2020 6:47:00 AM||Turn 9||USSR Stalin||Message||
U-blindness. Apologies. USA to...
|1166||11/3/2020 3:35:00 PM||Turn 9||UK Churchill||Message||
>UK to debate Soviets or play a card now?
I have no more cards to no debate
|1165||11/3/2020 10:57:00 AM||Turn 9||USSR Stalin||Message||
That can happen if you debate and then play when it is your turn rather than pass.
UK to debate Soviets or play a card now?
|1164||11/1/2020 6:26:00 AM||Turn 9||UK Churchill||Message||
I show both of you will a card left - not sure why
I'm down one but no debate for me either of course
|1163||11/1/2020 6:01:00 AM||Turn 9||USSR Stalin||Message||
Soviets will not debate the UK play, though it looks like the UK is going to win another conference.
Molotov advances Global Issue from USA 5 to Soviet 1. He is a 5 with +1 for Global Issue.
|1162||11/1/2020 6:00:00 AM||Turn 9||UK Churchill||Message||
I believe the Russian word is
|1161||11/1/2020 5:55:00 AM||Turn 9||USSR Stalin||Message||
>But only an active leader can debate a leader
Yes forgotten that. Drat. Or whatever one says.
|1160||10/31/2020 8:56:00 PM||Turn 9||US Roosevelt||Message||
No debate from the USA.
|1159||10/31/2020 8:18:00 AM||Turn 9||UK Churchill||Message||
|1158||10/31/2020 8:18:00 AM||Turn 9||UK Churchill||Die roll request||
Request: 6-sided die x 1
Message from UK Churchill:
|1157||10/31/2020 8:18:00 AM||Turn 9||UK Churchill||Message||
I'll play for my last card John Anderson
moving the Soviet controlled US Offensive marker
from USSR 3 to British 1
I also get to roll to see if I get 2 offensive markers on a roll of "1"
|1156||10/31/2020 7:56:00 AM||Turn 9||US Roosevelt||Message||
But only an active leader can debate a leader (4.22, last sentence of second paragaph), and Stalin has already been used so the Soviets can't debate this play.
|1155||10/31/2020 2:47:00 AM||Turn 9||USSR Stalin||Message||
Or Soviets might debate if UK doesn't...
|1154||10/30/2020 1:43:00 PM||Turn 9||US Roosevelt||Message||
That's an 8 so the Global Issue moves from the USSR-2 space to the USA-5 space. Round to Bob to either debate that with Churchill or advance an issue.
|1153||10/30/2020 1:39:00 PM||Turn 9||US Roosevelt||Die roll request||
Request: 6-sided die x 2
Message from US Roosevelt:
A very long day yesterday, but I'm back with the game now.
I'll discard Stanley Embrick, a 1, to play Truman. Truman will advance the Global issue, but first I have to see if his inexperience is showing - if I roll 2-5 then Truman is only a 4 instead of a 7
|1152||10/28/2020 12:06:00 PM||Turn 9||US Roosevelt||Message||
Yes, me to play. Sorry for the delay, I've got people coming in tomorrow to do some work on the house so this week I've been spending all the hours there are trying to clear ten years' worth of junk out of the way so that they can get at where they need to. I should be able to make my move tomorrow afternoon or evening.
|1151||10/28/2020 8:16:00 AM||Turn 9||USSR Stalin||Message||
USA to play. Hope OK.
|1150||10/24/2020 4:35:00 AM||Turn 9||USSR Stalin||Message||
Stalin pulling out the stops.
|1149||10/23/2020 5:38:00 AM||Turn 9||UK Churchill||Message||
Well, that was impressive -
Okay neither of us can do anything so it's American turn
|1148||10/23/2020 3:15:00 AM||Turn 9||USSR Stalin||Die roll request||
Request: 6-sided die x 2
Message from USSR Stalin:
Stalin Paranoia on 2-4.
|1147||10/23/2020 3:15:00 AM||Turn 9||USSR Stalin||Message||
Discard Beria and play Stalin. Stalin moves the 1/2 Pol-Mil from UK 2 to Soviet 5. He gains a clandestine network.
|1146||10/21/2020 9:57:00 AM||Turn 9||US Roosevelt||Message||
No debate from USA either.
|1145||10/19/2020 10:22:00 AM||Turn 9||USSR Stalin||Message||
Soviets will not debate.
|1144||10/18/2020 7:26:00 AM||Turn 9||UK Churchill||Message||
Oliver Lyttleton moves Production marker from US 1
to British 4 due to special ability
|1143||10/18/2020 2:10:00 AM||Turn 9||USSR Stalin||Message||
So UK to play now.
|1142||10/16/2020 5:05:00 AM||Turn 9||UK Churchill||Message||
No he's not I saw that one of they guys gets bonus due to Stalin being ACTIVE and took that to mean Stalin was used. My error
|1141||10/16/2020 3:29:00 AM||Turn 9||USSR Stalin||Message||
No debate either so UK have a play.
Bob moved Stalin to inactive recently. I don't think he is???
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