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713 12/7/2019 12:39:00 AM 1807-1808 France France: Play Strategy card as Operations #94: 4 / Early Snowfall
Playable only as a nation's last card. All card CP values (except those generated by events) are reduced by one. Announced CP expenditures which cannot be completed as a result of snowfall are forfeit. Extended Campaign event may not occur during this event. Ends Mud event.

Message from France:
1-3/4 Massena +3 > Rome

Michael can resolve
712 12/6/2019 8:03:00 PM 1807-1808 Austria Message France/Adim up then.
711 12/6/2019 4:21:00 PM 1807-1808 Britain Message Sorry. No, no preempt
710 12/6/2019 3:36:00 PM 1807-1808 Austria Message Michael are you going to pre-empt?
709 12/6/2019 1:46:00 AM 1807-1808 France Message Britain can preempt France
708 12/6/2019 1:46:00 AM 1807-1808 France Message Denmark passes
707 12/6/2019 1:46:00 AM 1807-1808 France Sweden: Play Strategy card as Operations #909: 5 / Fanatic Defense
You have three CPs. All Swedish Formations in their Home Duchy ignore disruption in any battle during this Turn. OR Draw a card. RESERVE

Message from France:
1-2/5 Build 1Swu in Stockholm
3-4/5 2SwU > Cristiania
5/5 Bernadotte +4 > Vadstena
706 12/6/2019 1:45:00 AM 1807-1808 France Message Ah, yes. Nor can you preempt Sweden then.
705 12/6/2019 1:35:00 AM 1807-1808 Britain Message I can't intercept a Reserve, which I believe is all that TU has left
704 12/6/2019 1:34:00 AM 1807-1808 France Message file in folder
703 12/6/2019 1:32:00 AM 1807-1808 France Message I think BR can preempt Turkey. Or he can do Turkey for us then preempt sweden.
702 12/6/2019 1:30:00 AM 1807-1808 France Message 4/5 unflag Leipzig
5/5 kleist +3 > Breslau
701 12/5/2019 2:39:00 PM 1807-1808 Russia Message no interception, sorry for the delay adim
700 12/4/2019 1:08:00 PM 1807-1808 Britain Message Blucher could have gone straight to Breslau if he wanted to head towards Lublin. I would not intercept.
699 12/4/2019 12:23:00 PM 1807-1808 France Message All Prussians killed in action against the Russian invader will be lionized as heroes and granted the French legion d'honneur. Hopefully each will take to the grave a Russian in tight embrace.
698 12/4/2019 12:18:00 PM 1807-1808 Austria Message Its 14 Prussias v. 13 Russians.
Seems like a risky battle for you while France doesn't care about losing Prussians.
697 12/4/2019 8:40:00 AM 1807-1808 Russia Message @ Michael and Farell

An interception would move Kutuzov away from Vienna, otherwise he could head for Krakow and Lublin. Which I might put some defence on.

What is your thoughts on it?


696 12/4/2019 8:09:00 AM 1807-1808 France Prussia: Play Strategy card as Operations #101: 5 / The Milan Decree
Gain CPs equal to a die roll. If France controls Rotterdam, place an available French Squadron there under a Naval Build marker and remove this card from the game. A Neutral Proxy will play this event only if France controls Rotterdam.

Message from France:
1/5 Blucher +3 > Berlin n blucher, kleist 12
2-3/5 Blucher +6 +kleist + 4 > Leipzig

Kutuzov intercept?
695 12/3/2019 10:19:00 AM 1807-1808 France Message second BR dead, BR back to Stavenger

PR play in 12h
694 12/3/2019 10:19:00 AM 1807-1808 France Die roll request Request: 6-sided die x 2

3
6


Message from France:

693 12/3/2019 10:19:00 AM 1807-1808 France Die roll request Request: 6-sided die x 4

5
1
4
4


Message from France:
BR
692 12/3/2019 10:18:00 AM 1807-1808 France Message 1 BR dead, second day
691 12/3/2019 10:18:00 AM 1807-1808 France Die roll request Request: 6-sided die x 4

1
6
1
1


Message from France:
DN
690 12/3/2019 10:18:00 AM 1807-1808 France Die roll request Request: 6-sided die x 5

5
4
2
1
3


Message from France:
BR
689 12/3/2019 10:17:00 AM 1807-1808 France Message Sorry, was traveling for several days, now back in saddle


688 12/1/2019 9:24:00 PM 1807-1808 Britain Message no effect
5 BR vs 4 DN (initially)
France may complete battle and play Prussia
If win combat, change CP 6 to flag Christiania
687 12/1/2019 9:23:00 PM 1807-1808 Britain Die roll request Request: 6-sided die x 4

4
3
1
4


Message from Britain:
attrition over pass to Christiania
686 12/1/2019 9:22:00 PM 1807-1808 Britain Britain: Play Strategy card as Operations #77: 6 / The Sultan's Ear
Move Turkish Consul two boxes on the Diplomatic Track. This event may break Pact status.

Message from Britain:
Apologies for delay - camping with family over Thanksgiving

preempt
1-4) Moore w/2BR Navarre to Stavenger
5) Stavenger 4BR to Christiania
6) remove refit Sussex, then squadron to EC
685 12/1/2019 9:16:00 PM 1807-1808 Britain Return Strategy card to hand #85: 4 / Council of Dresden

Message from Britain:
with MC
684 12/1/2019 9:15:00 PM 1807-1808 Britain Return Strategy card to hand #77: 6 / The Sultan's Ear

Message from Britain:
back to hand
683 12/1/2019 9:15:00 PM 1807-1808 Britain Britain: Play Strategy card as Event #63: 6 / Malet's Conspiracy
Draw a random card from the French hand (if available) and one from the Draw Pile. Not playable by France as an event.

Message from Britain:
previously played
682 11/27/2019 1:20:00 AM 1807-1808 France Message Britain Preempt or Prussia?
681 11/27/2019 12:28:00 AM 1807-1808 France Message Yes, you are right. My bad.
680 11/26/2019 5:15:00 PM 1807-1808 Britain Message I donít see anything in the rules that says an amphibious assault must have a leader. A 4-unit piece is a formation, and a formation may be convoyed.

13.6 CONVOYS
A Convoy is naval transport of Formations from one Friendly Port to another Friendly Port. No Fleet is required but a nation may Convoy only once per Impulse. Up to five Units/leaders may be convoyed per Impulse but are subject to the same limitations as land movement insofar as single CP expenditure moves of multinational Forces and Unit sizes are concerned.

A 4-piece formation may move on land, so may move as a single unit via convoy.

13.7 AMPHIBIOUS ASSAULT
Convoys may assault an enemy Port only if they (or an ally) Control that Zone.

There is nothing in 13.7 that states an AA has to be led by a leader.
679 11/26/2019 4:29:00 PM 1807-1808 Austria Message Not sure I see that rule. Can you point to it?

13.7 Amphibous assault says Convoys may assault.
13.6 says convoys are naval transport of Formations.

Now the next question is can he do it with a 4 str chit w/o a leader. The last paragraph of this would say no. The most he could do it was with a 2 str chit.
http://www.boardgamers.org/specific/nappy.htm
678 11/26/2019 4:15:00 PM 1807-1808 France Message Michael:

> 2-4) 4BR Cornwall to Stavenger (I will roll the port guns)

this move is an amphibious assault and requires and army -- those 4 units must have a leader
677 11/26/2019 4:14:00 PM 1807-1808 Russia Russia: Play Strategy card as Operations #92: 6 / Capitulation
A nation of your choice whose Capital is controlled surrenders immedately. Determine Duchies to be ceded with the normal Ceding die roll. Apply all Conquest consequences. Loss of both Capitals is required for Russian surrender. If no Capital or more than one nation's Capital is Enemy-controlled, a Neutral Proxy will not play this event.

Message from Russia:
1/6 flag Svbeaborg
2/6 flag Warsaw
2-4/6 Bagration +2 to Riga
4-6 Kutuzov +8 to Praha
676 11/26/2019 4:14:00 PM 1807-1808 Russia Russia: Play Strategy card as Operations #92: 6 / Capitulation
A nation of your choice whose Capital is controlled surrenders immedately. Determine Duchies to be ceded with the normal Ceding die roll. Apply all Conquest consequences. Loss of both Capitals is required for Russian surrender. If no Capital or more than one nation's Capital is Enemy-controlled, a Neutral Proxy will not play this event.

Message from Russia:
1/6 flag Svbeaborg
2/6 flag Warsaw
2-4/6 Bagration +2 to Riga
4-6 Kutuzov +8 to Praha
675 11/26/2019 3:07:00 PM 1807-1808 Britain Message Russia up - I would put priority on flagging Sveaborg, move Bagration's army to Riga, and flag Warsaw.
674 11/26/2019 3:05:00 PM 1807-1808 Britain Die roll request Request: 6-sided die x 2

5
4


Message from Britain:
Stavenger port guns
673 11/26/2019 3:04:00 PM 1807-1808 Britain Britain: Play Strategy card as Operations #54: 5 / Fouche
France draws a random card from any nation. Discard out of game if used as an Event after Napoleon Abdicates or Turn 3 - whichever occurs first.

Message from Britain:
Yes, I can agree to let you have Turkey, but don't expect Parliament also

I will preempt RU

1) Moore w/2BR to Navarre
2-4) 4BR Cornwall to Stavenger (I will roll the port guns)
5) flag Stavenger
672 11/26/2019 2:43:00 PM 1807-1808 Austria Austria: Play Strategy card as Operations #75: 2 / Letters of Marque
Britain must instantly transfer one Squadron to this Foreign War card or lose its choice of a Resource, Reserve, or a random card. If no Squadron is transferred, the event remains in the game.

Message from Austria:
Turkey to friend.
Britain, did you see my message?
671 11/25/2019 12:24:00 PM 1807-1808 Austria Message Britain,
If you let me have Turkey, I won't join the Imperials.
670 11/24/2019 3:03:00 AM 1807-1808 France Message And Farrell is up.
669 11/24/2019 3:03:00 AM 1807-1808 France Discard Strategy card Message from France:
668 11/24/2019 3:03:00 AM 1807-1808 France Return Strategy card to hand #58: 2 / Bypass Stronghold

Message from France:
667 11/24/2019 3:02:00 AM 1807-1808 France Discard Strategy card Message from France:
666 11/24/2019 3:02:00 AM 1807-1808 France Discard Strategy card Message from France:
665 11/23/2019 1:27:00 PM 1807-1808 Britain Message After Gareth's response, I believe we should continue with DC as previously-played. This will require France to play Rear Guard, Napoleon and DC out of their hand, and to pick up the card he discarded after. I will play Malot and pick up the card I drew from France.
664 11/23/2019 12:12:00 PM 1807-1808 Russia Message The game prgressed so far with depot captured, right? So I wouldn`t see a need for redoing anything.
663 11/23/2019 8:01:00 AM 1807-1808 France Message computer died, i beg your patience till that is fixed
662 11/22/2019 4:47:00 PM 1807-1808 Britain Message British play shouldnít affect decision on whether DC is allowable....
661 11/22/2019 4:01:00 PM 1807-1808 Britain Message Iím all for following whatever Gareth says
660 11/22/2019 2:41:00 PM 1807-1808 France Message honestly, given the br play of malet and theft of sultans ear, i prefer to retake, but i let you guys decide
659 11/22/2019 2:40:00 PM 1807-1808 France Message garreth williams, der tnw mensch, says:

France unflagged British occupied Madrid; is France entitled to play Depot Captured?

YES

658 11/22/2019 2:17:00 PM 1807-1808 Austria Message I'm okay either way. I am sort of sorry for bringing it up because it has slowed the game down so much. I didn't even have strong feelings before but analyzing language is part of my job so I was compelled to.
657 11/22/2019 2:09:00 PM 1807-1808 France Message yes, why not.
i asked garreth williams for his input. lets let him decide. im ok either way.
656 11/22/2019 12:16:00 PM 1807-1808 Austria Message I believe that is only for duchies. If an capital is flagged, then it becomes an enemy controlled capital, not an enemy capital.

Would Britain be able to play Emigres and Exiles in Madrid?
"Place an available leader and a Unit of your nationality in your friendly Capital and draw another card. If no leader is available, you may place an extra Unit instead."


655 11/22/2019 10:21:00 AM 1807-1808 Britain Message I donít feel strongly either way. Perfectly fine allowing the play of DC.
654 11/22/2019 9:51:00 AM 1807-1808 Russia Message I would bring back the key of Captured Depot:

It is said that unflagging an enemy Capital is required.

Capital is defined as "A Home Duchy with a checkered border"

enemy duchy is defined as: "A Duchy in enemy color or Flagged by an Enemy Nation not currently occupied by Forces belonging to you or your Allies"

So I would suggest we allow the card play. I know we ruled otherwise in the first instance. But if you can follow this argument, let us reverse the ruling on this.
653 11/22/2019 3:49:00 AM 1807-1808 Russia Return Strategy card to hand #92: 6 / Capitulation

Message from Russia:
652 11/21/2019 11:55:00 AM 1807-1808 Austria Return Strategy card to hand #75: 2 / Letters of Marque

Message from Austria:
651 11/21/2019 11:52:00 AM 1807-1808 France Message The two cards I got from Depot were Sultan's Ear and a 2/ battle card (sorry, I no longer remember which)
650 11/21/2019 11:30:00 AM 1807-1808 Britain Message Sultans Ear was the one taken from Franceís hand (one of his Depot cards)
Council of Dresden was the card drawn from deck
FYI

France should identify what the card he discarded was
649 11/21/2019 11:27:00 AM 1807-1808 Britain Discard Strategy card Message from Britain:
Card drawn from deck with MC
648 11/21/2019 11:25:00 AM 1807-1808 Britain Return Strategy card to hand #63: 6 / Malet's Conspiracy

Message from Britain:
Return to hand
647 11/21/2019 11:25:00 AM 1807-1808 Britain Move permanently removed Strategy card to discard pile #63: 6 / Malet's Conspiracy

Message from Britain:
646 11/21/2019 11:25:00 AM 1807-1808 Britain Discard Strategy card Message from Britain:
France is backing up to redo his turn at msg 583, based on Depot Captured not being allowed for unflagging an allied capital. We all need to pick up any cards played since then.
645 11/21/2019 11:18:00 AM 1807-1808 Russia Message Is Britain still considering to preempt? I think otherwise it would be my turn?

@ Allies: I would position in Prag. But what if the prussians march east?
644 11/21/2019 7:21:00 AM 1807-1808 France Message Britain to discard Sultan's Ear. :)

I'll play tonight, when I get home.
643 11/21/2019 7:21:00 AM 1807-1808 France Return Strategy card to hand #46: 5 / Rear Guard

Message from France:
642 11/21/2019 7:20:00 AM 1807-1808 France Return Strategy card to hand #904: 5 / Napoleon

Message from France:
641 11/21/2019 7:20:00 AM 1807-1808 France Return Strategy card to hand #14: 4 / Depot Captured

Message from France:
640 11/21/2019 7:20:00 AM 1807-1808 France Discard Strategy card Message from France:
639 11/21/2019 7:19:00 AM 1807-1808 France Message The only answer I was able to get on BGG was this:

"Based on "including its own while under enemy control", the earlier phrase "Any nation that has Flagged or unflagged an enemy Capital or Fortress" must mean "Any nation that has Flagged or unflagged an enemy-controlled Capital or Fortress". So, even though Madrid is the Spanish capital and Spain is not France's enemy here, it's controlled by France's enemy, Britain, and so it looks to me like it counts. "

But as all 3 of you think the card is unplayable, I will change my play.

638 11/20/2019 12:21:00 PM 1807-1808 Austria Message Tobey,

I'm not trying to say you are playing wrong or anything. You are playing more for Russia, than the Coalition, which is totally fine. This isn't a team game. There is only one winner. You are up on keys and still have your resource so you are doing great.
637 11/20/2019 6:39:00 AM 1807-1808 France Message Guys, I also posted to BGG forums. Ill wait for more answers then report to you. I can go either way on this.

Russia: Austria is your ally, for the moment; but you aren't really at war with me, just Prussia and Sweden. :)
636 11/20/2019 6:13:00 AM 1807-1808 Russia Message ignore the last sentence, I overlooked it when I sent the text. I think it is not allowed. But you may see how hard it was to come to a conclusion.

@Britain: The move was thought to get back to Austia. But honestly I am way unsure about his position. If I would have knocked Spain out of the war, I would have given you a lot of points. And the aim is to win the game for the own nation, not just the camp. Also I wanted to strike against Prussia before the march to east. And the defeat of spain woud not have helped me lot towards this. And I don`t uinderstand why every move I make, (and I know am not a very expperienced player and the plays are not the best) is commented with suspicion how Russia stands to the Coalition while austria openly flirts across the board. I can say whatever I want to that, I care about austrias defence, but nobody believes. Russia is not Autrias pet and I want to play and not to countersign every move, especially not if there is such a pro french diplomacy.
635 11/20/2019 6:05:00 AM 1807-1808 Russia Message in thew Nappy FAQ on BGG I found this:

"Regaining control of your own Capital or Fortress would qualify as"unflagging an enemy Capital or Fortress" for purposes of thebonus card draws. The two-card bonus is limited to once perImpulse regardless of how many Capitals/Fortresses are flaggedduring that Impulse."

I am not a native speaker, so I find it difficult to judge.
Unflagging the own capital or a fortress counts. An enemy capital or fortress is given by an enemy flag. The phrase: "(including its own while under enemy control)" seems to be a clarfication to the unflag part of the text. With a lot of doubts I will kepp to the card, and would say the card play would not be allowed on Madrid.

So I think it is playable
634 11/19/2019 5:38:00 PM 1807-1808 Britain Message Adim - yes backing up to there, as you stated you drove on Madrid bc of the card. If you still want to liberate Madrid, then you should let your move stand as-is, but knowing that DC canít be used as event, you may have decided to play differently.
633 11/19/2019 4:26:00 PM 1807-1808 Austria Message We could also post to BGG to see if anyone else has an opinion.
I've come around to being fine with either way as long as going forward we have a clear understanding for future games.
632 11/19/2019 3:54:00 PM 1807-1808 France Message > And I would think France could/should redo their move if desired, as executed his hand as if the card was valid.

do you mean back up to message 583 and do over?
631 11/19/2019 3:39:00 PM 1807-1808 Britain Message Iím also ok with leaving as-is*, certainly easier than backing up, lol.
;-)
630 11/19/2019 3:37:00 PM 1807-1808 Britain Message (I would discard the other one drawn from Franceís hand)
629 11/19/2019 3:36:00 PM 1807-1808 Britain Message Canít recall a specific instance of play where Iíve seen this questioned, but thought Ive always seen it played as any enemy-controlled capital or fortress qualified for the play of the event.

However, with rereading the card text, it would have been extremely easy for it to have been written as ďenemy controlled Capital or FortressĒ in which case the qualification of ď(including own)Ē would not matter at all. Since there is the qualification, it is obviously needed for some reason, which I now take indicates the wording was NOT meant to include any or every enemy-controlled capital.

So now Iím thinking Depot wasnít correctly played, since Madrid is neither his own or an enemyís. This would require France to pickup Depot and discard the one drawn (I would ). Based on that we would back up, And I would think France could/should redo their move if desired, as executed his hand as if the card was valid. France may decide to leave the turn as-is, since he obviously knows Capitulation is available. Once France decides, we again proceed from there.

Anyone disagree?
628 11/19/2019 3:26:00 PM 1807-1808 Austria Message I don't want to make a big deal about it. If it is allowed then thats fine.
627 11/19/2019 2:57:00 PM 1807-1808 France Message then michael and toby must decide
then you must decide if you want to make a plus play or not
626 11/19/2019 12:39:00 PM 1807-1808 Austria Message Its above my paygrade to.
I wrestled with the question of "its" when I was Britain in another game and trying to figure out if a minor squadron (sweden) counted as one of "its fleets" for purposes of Admiralty. I conclcuded it wasn't.
625 11/19/2019 12:38:00 PM 1807-1808 France Message Austria: Michael has 6 cards to my 2. Thats all i have to say.
624 11/19/2019 12:36:00 PM 1807-1808 France Message http://www.boardgamers.org/specific/nappy.htm

these are FAQs from the authors of the game, albeit first edition:

"Regaining control of your own Capital or Fortress would qualify as "unflagging an enemy Capital or Fortress" for purposes of the bonus card draws. "

in that my minor ally is mine, madrid seems to me to be one of my capitals; but i will be ruled by whatever you three decide; if you three decide i ought not to have played it, then we have to figure out what to do with the card Michael took from me, as that came from Depot Captured. I confess, its a bit above my paygrade to figure out the just and fair thing to do in that case.


623 11/19/2019 12:17:00 PM 1807-1808 Austria Message First, as to Depot Captured. The link you posted supported my position. Madrid was not an enemy capital. It was an enemy controlled capital and Spains, not France's. You get the card for flagging an enemy capital or fortress or unflagging your capital or fortress.

Second,
Britain, I agreed to a one turn truce with France. I have no plans to join him. With two imposing French armies on my doorstep and Russia distracted in Prussia, it seemed like a prudent deal. It allows me to concentrate on Turkey while Russia is free to pursue his interests in Prussia.
If you want to fight me on Turkey, thats your choice. I think your Ops would be better spent in Spain and/or Italy where you can gain keys easily. I don't have an easy way of getting VP except for Turkey and Turkish forces help me most.
622 11/19/2019 10:20:00 AM 1807-1808 Britain Message Russia - would have been nice to knock out Spain from the war, but I can at least now understand why you tried for Berlin. Extremely low odds of having that succeed without CCs to win that fight. I would have promised two cards for the play of Capitulation, lol.

You should talk to Austria before moving instead of assuming anything; and you need to get Bagration down to the mainland. If Kut wasnít in a mutually-supporting position (Prague) at end of your impulse, Iíd be pissed if I was Austria as well (and even more likely to switch sides).
621 11/19/2019 10:12:00 AM 1807-1808 Britain Message As still technically plus play opportunity,
Austria - are you sure you want to play on Turkey, as Iíve already stated that I couldnít let you have it based on your peace talks with France? France isnít coming for you, is down cards and now no longer had reserve left. This is an opportunity to take the fight to him. I will send you a card, but not if youíre going after Turkey.

Austria to confirm play, then I will preempt Russia.
620 11/19/2019 10:00:00 AM 1807-1808 Britain Message ď after our talks, i decided to get the extra card in Madrid rather than ViennaĒ

I think more likely is he realized he had very, very slim chance of fighting his way through to Vienna in one turn, and then still not being able to flag it
;-)
619 11/19/2019 9:57:00 AM 1807-1808 Britain Message Hold on Tobey, still deciding whether to preempt
618 11/19/2019 9:45:00 AM 1807-1808 Russia Message interception from Berlin?
617 11/19/2019 9:45:00 AM 1807-1808 Russia Russia: Play Strategy card as Operations #92: 6 / Capitulation
A nation of your choice whose Capital is controlled surrenders immedately. Determine Duchies to be ceded with the normal Ceding die roll. Apply all Conquest consequences. Loss of both Capitals is required for Russian surrender. If no Capital or more than one nation's Capital is Enemy-controlled, a Neutral Proxy will not play this event.

Message from Russia:
1-2/6 Kutuzov ++8 to Breslau
616 11/19/2019 9:07:00 AM 1807-1808 Russia Message Michael, the recent flirts between the french and the austrian makes mm nervous about moving my troops back Austria. Will they be send to the regoup box in case of switching or attrit?
615 11/19/2019 9:01:00 AM 1807-1808 Russia Message Yes it is right there...
614 11/19/2019 8:58:00 AM 1807-1808 France Message Toby, my file in there is almost perfect; all you need to is raise Turkey to Austrian friend and you are in business

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