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206 9/29/2020 10:47:00 PM Turn 3 Gwynhyfarr Message No reassignments.
205 9/29/2020 3:01:00 PM Turn 3 Terran Message Terran 2 posted. Gwy next.
204 9/28/2020 5:29:00 PM Turn 3 Pereen Message I posted Pereen mailing 2. Back to Earth.
203 9/27/2020 1:36:00 PM Turn 3 Terran Message My budget increase should have been 6, not 3 due to the event chit. Will correct with my next move.
202 9/27/2020 12:06:00 PM Turn 3 Gwynhyfarr Message Gwyn posted.Played the increase reserve event so pereen will need to move two units from the map to reserves.
201 9/27/2020 8:33:00 AM Turn 3 Terran Message Ter 1 posted. Over to Gwy 1
200 9/27/2020 7:50:00 AM Turn 3 Pereen Message Posted Pereen mailing 1. Over to Terrans.
General reminder to include some explanatory comments in your log files to facilitate verifying legality of moves (e.g. amount of EP spent or distance from base).
199 9/27/2020 7:49:00 AM Turn 2 Pereen End Turn
198 9/26/2020 12:38:00 PM Turn 2 Terran Message Confirming
197 9/26/2020 10:31:00 AM Turn 2 Pereen Message Agreed. Terrans to confirm and then Pereen mailing 1 for Turn 3.
196 9/26/2020 9:51:00 AM Turn 2 Gwynhyfarr Message No DoW yet from Gwyn. If none for Terran we should just be moving to the next turn yes?
195 9/26/2020 7:13:00 AM Turn 2 Pereen Message No Pereen reassignments. Next steps are Terran reassignments then DOWS from Gwynhyfarr, Pereen (none as no probes landed) and Terran.
194 9/23/2020 5:30:00 PM Turn 2 Gwynhyfarr Message No unit reassignment.
193 9/21/2020 3:51:00 AM Turn 2 Terran Message Terran construction done. Over to Gwynhyffar
192 9/20/2020 5:41:00 PM Turn 2 Pereen Message I think your turn was good. I posted the Pereen construction. Back to Terrans.
191 9/17/2020 10:08:00 PM Turn 2 Gwynhyfarr Message Move taken. Hopefully I got it right this time. Not sure about the event chit I played but I think I did it right.
190 9/15/2020 2:11:00 PM Turn 2 Terran Message Yeah something went wrong. End of turn 1 has the Terran EP total at 22 so that what the Terran player has available for turn 2. I built 2 settlements for 6 EPs and 10 EPs for maintenance. Current remaining EPs : 6

Correction file loaded

189 9/14/2020 6:10:00 PM Turn 2 Pereen Message Karoly, please check your move. I think you short changed yourself when resetting EP remaining, and then you'll have to pay for the settlement costs. Thanks!
188 9/14/2020 2:07:00 PM Turn 2 Terran Message Terran 1 loaded. Over to Gwynhyfarr
187 9/14/2020 10:43:00 AM Turn 2 Pereen Message I haven't tested using any of the newer versions of Vassal, as they have been in flux (many updates within several months). Figured I'd wait until the beginning of 2021 to dive into it.

I suspect that there is backwards compatibility. However, if somebody modified the module using a newer version, there will be some point where you will need the new version of Vassal to use it. So the threat is more based upon the developer's usage rather than the gamer's usage.
186 9/14/2020 9:39:00 AM Turn 2 Gwynhyfarr Message Has the mod been tested with the latest vassal version? I know a few mods have broken because of some of the changes. Don't want to upgrade if it's going to affect our game.
185 9/14/2020 8:55:00 AM Turn 2 Gwynhyfarr Message Added a fix log (11a) to adjust the settlement placement. Otherwise it's the Terran move.
184 9/11/2020 11:48:00 AM Turn 2 Pereen Message Go ahead and make the update at your earliest convenience.
183 9/7/2020 1:49:00 PM Turn 2 Pereen Message Hi ... Delta Pavonis is a Gwynhyfarr settlement but does not have a Base counter within that system.

Epsilon Indi would be within range, and helps you climb the eliptical.

Gwyn has 6 bases to build and Terrans 4 to build out the range of their possible settlements. Terrans and Pereen can do so by being within web link line of communications. So that's probably why Terrans don't get as many bases.
182 9/7/2020 1:27:00 PM Turn 2 Gwynhyfarr Message I also no realize the from a base part. Does that mean Delta Pavonis is not settled? Because I thought we owned the systems we start with, no need to settle. If I can't however settle from the owned spaces, and there needs to be a base that means I can't get to Sigma Draconis either. In which case I think Epsilon Indi will be where the settle 1 should move.
181 9/7/2020 1:23:00 PM Turn 2 Gwynhyfarr Message Sorry just catching up on this. So I can't settle Chi Draconis from Delta Pavonis? If not I will settle Sigma Draconis instead. Sorry for the confusion.
180 9/6/2020 5:06:00 PM Turn 2 Pereen Message Looking at this a little closer. I think this is actually a repeat of the last game's mistake. Rule 6.22 indicates that the Gwynhyfarr settlement is based upon range from a base. Current Gwyn bases are LFT 1747 (at -14) and Gamma Pavonis (also at -14).

Recommend adjusting the Chi Draconis settlement 1 to Delta Pavonis (at -9), as there's a Heavy Fleet there.

The distance from 61 Cygni to Chi Draconis is correct. However, the button that opens the settlement range lines for Cygni is pretty crammed in and may have been used for LFT 1747. I tried to place those buttons in line with the systems name.

179 9/6/2020 11:46:00 AM Turn 2 Pereen Message Settlement was played as part of log 5.
The map graphic showed that the range was only 9.

Either later today or sometime tomorrow, I'll update the graphic for ranges coming from 61 Cygni, and then Gwynhyfarr can make an adjustment.

Please keep an eye out for similar range errors on the settlement range pop-ups. It was tedious work to do those, so there are likely some concentration errors.
178 9/6/2020 11:41:00 AM Turn 2 Terran Message Yes, no harm here.
177 9/6/2020 11:40:00 AM Turn 2 Pereen Message Agreed. Let's fix this before continuing, as we haven't gone too far.
176 9/6/2020 11:30:00 AM Turn 2 Terran Message Still don't understand how it is possible for Gwynhyfarr to settle Chi Draconis at +13. All their systems are far below the ecliptic. Maybe there is a confusion with the set up at Delta Pavonis versus Sigma Draconis. Maybe I miss something here.
175 9/6/2020 11:09:00 AM Turn 2 Pereen Message Posted Pereen mailing 1.
174 9/5/2020 12:59:00 PM Turn 2 Pereen Message Just got back from a staycation getway, and will do Pereen T2 mailing 1 either later today or tomorrow.
173 9/5/2020 12:59:00 PM Turn 1 Pereen End Turn
172 9/5/2020 12:10:00 PM Turn 1 Gwynhyfarr Message I assume we'll have no declarations of war so this turn ends. Pereen can set us off for the next turn.
171 9/3/2020 11:26:00 AM Turn 1 Terran Message No Terran unit reassignment either. Log file loaded.
170 9/2/2020 11:01:00 PM Turn 1 Pereen Message No Pereen unit reassignments. It's up to Terrans for reassignments, then DOW declarations. I will not make any declarations. Log posted to dropbox.
169 8/27/2020 11:36:00 AM Turn 1 Pereen Message Gwynhyfarr is up next. I will be off line this weekend.
168 8/22/2020 1:21:00 PM Turn 1 Terran Message Terran 2 posted. Little activity
167 8/22/2020 7:48:00 AM Turn 1 Pereen Message Pereen mailing 2 posted. Remember that your files should be vlog and not vsav.
166 8/20/2020 7:56:00 AM Turn 1 Gwynhyfarr Message Turn taken. Just a note that I could find the +1-3 markers to update the economic value from my Lode System event so I left the event chit nearby as a reference.
165 8/20/2020 7:50:00 AM Turn 1 Gwynhyfarr Die roll request Request: 6-sided die x 1


Message from Gwynhyfarr:
Lode System for CD - 36 13
[Half 1d6 rounded up added to economic value]
164 8/15/2020 5:24:00 PM Turn 1 Terran Message Over to Gwy. I jumped to Terran 2 operations to compensate for my slow start. Forgot to use the sequence buttons though. Have to get used to it.
163 8/15/2020 10:20:00 AM Turn 1 Terran Message Sorry for the delay. I will get my move in soon.
162 8/12/2020 5:21:00 PM Turn 1 Pereen Message My error. The SOP inside log #3 correctly shows it's time for the Terran mailing 1. I mislabeled the log file name, and just updated it to show a "ter" suffix.
161 8/11/2020 3:42:00 PM Turn 1 Terran Message But the latest file is "WS T1 - 003 Per - Gwy"
I'm confused.
160 8/10/2020 9:46:00 PM Turn 1 Gwynhyfarr Message Log #3 SoP has it at Terran mailing unless I'm missing a file
159 8/10/2020 11:18:00 AM Turn 1 Pereen Message Just a reminder that Gwynhyfarr mailing 1 is next.
158 8/4/2020 4:49:00 PM Turn 1 Pereen Message I posted Pereen mailing 1 to dropbox.
I looked for the old log files and already deleted them off my laptop as well. Sorry.
157 8/4/2020 4:48:00 PM Turn 0 Pereen End Turn
156 8/3/2020 11:53:00 AM Turn 0 Pereen Message I deleted the copies of the log files out on dropbox for the original game, figuring they were no longer needed. I think I still have them on my laptop if still needed.
155 8/3/2020 8:03:00 AM Turn 0 Gwynhyfarr Message Okay my setup log is in. I also set up a new logs folder. Tom if you wouldn't mind putting the old logs in the archive folder if you still have them.
154 8/1/2020 6:47:00 PM Turn 0 Gwynhyfarr Message I should be able to get my setup done tomorrow. I also want to give the rules another read.
153 7/31/2020 9:32:00 PM Turn 0 Pereen Message I posted the Pereen setup. Gwynhyfarr do their setup and then it comes back to me for Turn 1. Terrans have their setup mandated.
152 7/31/2020 6:14:00 PM Turn 0 Pereen Message I deleted the old game files in the logs area of dropbox and will begin my first log after I complete my rule re-read (about half way there). Vassal module was last updated 7/31 and think I'm finished tinkering unless either of you have any other input.
Note that the setups now include a single web nexus at Sol and all Pereen home worlds. There is no limitation on the number of nexus (see 7.39) so placing copies on the map dispenses with the need for Nexus Destroyed markers. Sol's nexus can be damaged but not destroyed.
151 7/29/2020 3:55:00 PM Turn 4 Pereen Change game turn Game turn changed to Turn 0
150 7/29/2020 3:29:00 PM Turn 4 Pereen Message correct
149 7/29/2020 2:55:00 PM Turn 4 Terran Message Oh. I just realized why this was necessary. It wouldn't be necessary in a ftf game, right ?
148 7/29/2020 2:53:00 PM Turn 4 Terran Message I will express it otherwise. What rules requires the Pereen player to disclose any information over his initial number of probes.
147 7/29/2020 11:11:00 AM Turn 4 Pereen Message It's posted to the delayed notes section, so you could count the number of entries (which is public).
146 7/29/2020 8:32:00 AM Turn 4 Terran Message But would we know anyway. It's all hidden on your display ?
145 7/29/2020 8:30:00 AM Turn 4 Pereen Message The probe rules do need a close reading to understand them, especially for the initial setup. Once over that hurdle, new probes are easier to understand and managed.

The purpose of the dummy entries is so that the other players do not know how many probes were sent.
144 7/29/2020 3:51:00 AM Turn 4 Terran Message Your calculation is correct, according to the examples of play ... which I don't understand ;-)

Let's take Xi Bootis to BD+33, the very 1st example in (22.24) : Distance = 7; player uses 5 pts, probe gets there on turn 1. It seems to me that by using 5 you would still be 2 turns, not one turn away from destination. A bit of a mistery for me but as I said your moves match the rule example.

It seems however that you use only 19 pts and I dont understand the dummy probes (nobody can see them so what would be the purpose)
143 7/28/2020 7:05:00 PM Turn 4 Pereen Message I updated the vassal module ... come 'n git it.

The version number didn't change. See the Version History under Help for details on all that has changed since the original first version.
142 7/27/2020 7:09:00 PM Turn 4 Pereen Message I posted my last log, and a summary file. Please let me know if I messed up anything.

Near the end of the week, I'll post an updated module (adding the Text Label feature so we can better identify unit locations when clarification is needed). I'll create my first log for the new game.
141 7/25/2020 8:27:00 AM Turn 4 Terran Message Ok. Let's restart.
140 7/24/2020 2:14:00 PM Turn 4 Pereen Message I will be offline until Sunday. Unless I a strong preference to continue the current game, we can end this game and start another.

In that case, I'll publish a final log to reveal my plotted probes, and would like you to confirm their legality. During the upcoming week, we can all commit to doing a rulebook readthrough, and then Pereen publishes the first log of the new game. We'll all play the same sides.
139 7/21/2020 3:27:00 PM Turn 4 Terran Message I'm ok with both options.
138 7/21/2020 7:09:00 AM Turn 4 Pereen Message If you want to do a simple rollback, I'd suggest going back before the war declaration and making any adjustments needed.
137 7/21/2020 7:08:00 AM Turn 4 Pereen Message I am okay with restarting the game now that we all have a better idea of what to expect. If we do, I'd like both of you to take a look at all of my probe plots to see if I was messing up any of the rules.

I'm also okay dropping back to an earlier point, though I don't think we've gone so far that we couldn't just restart.
136 7/20/2020 9:31:00 PM Turn 4 Gwynhyfarr Message Ahhh that good old z index. So do we want to roll back logs or start a new one with corrections?
135 7/19/2020 9:37:00 AM Turn 4 Terran Message I didnít spot the Tau Ceti problem either. The consequences of Gwynhyffar colonizing Tau Ceti is that Terrans weren't able to do it in the first place and the overall picture in that theatre is naturally affected.

Iím not sure the problem can be perfectly addressed but Iím for continuing the game anyway. Letís remove the illegal settlements, and relocate them where allowed ! That should fix the most important issues.
134 7/19/2020 9:13:00 AM Turn 4 Pereen Message Dave, Karoly pointed out some problems in your current position and I think I agree with his findings. Please take a look at the following and if you agree, propose what adjustments are needed to best proceed.

Settlement and supply are based upon the commercial jump range from a base. You currently have two bases, one at LFTF 1747 and Gamma Pavonis. These constrain your settlement range, with the need to first colonize then build a base to extend the range. Same applies for wars. Although bases aren't needed for movement, they are needed for supply which happens immediately after movement†(see 14.01 and 14.04). So each unit in a naval force that moves out of supply immediately loses a step before combat occurs.

If you use the Settlement Range pop-up for both bases, you'll notice you have settlements in Keid, Tau Ceti and 61 Cygni that are out of range. It's a new game for all of us, and I didn't notice this up to now. I thought your settlements were within range of your bases, but I was interpreting your settlement counters as bases, and as Pereen it's all above my head and wasn't really observing, keeping my nose to the ground.

For war turn 1, Chi Draconis is WAY too far from either base ... both bases have a Z coordinate of -14 and Chi Draconis is at†+13 (jump distance of 27 plus the horizontal/vertical slope, small enough that the distance is approximately 27). I would recommend that the first war wasn't possible and we recover our losses.

All players provide documentation when making settlements and moves so that we can catch any issues earlier. It may mean doing a turn takes a little longer but it may save time in the long run. I try to do this with my probe documentation by noting the math behind the plot. This is as much to help myself as is it for providing an audit trail.

One feature I found that has helped in other Vassal modules is the label feature. Similar to the "Note" piece (upper right side of the board), Vassal developers can allow pieces to include a note on them like a yellow sticky. This might be helpful in clarifying unit positions when the system dots are very close to one another (especially for indicating base locations or interim documentation of moves, such as noting a settlement's source base and commercial jump distance). It's a simple update to the module if we all think it would be helpful and shouldn't disrupt the game in progress.

All the best,
133 7/18/2020 11:23:00 AM Turn 4 Pereen Message I noticed that the settlement range graphic for Sol has an error in that the distance to 70 Ophiuchi should be 8 rather than 9. The complimentary graphic for 70 Ophiuchi is correct. I posted an updated module and a graphic overlay for Sol. You can either use the new module or take the overlay file, open the module using a ZIP file editor and place it inside the images folder.
132 7/18/2020 11:10:00 AM Turn 4 Pereen Message Dave, I guess it's part of the learning curve. It seemed like you had a fair shot until I realized that the normal infantry have 3 steps and the drop troops only 2.

I didn't see the Gwynhyfarr fleet withdraw in the last game file. I suspect Terrans don't have a move.

Do you want to end the war at this point, assuming Terrans have no move?
131 7/15/2020 10:33:00 PM Turn 4 Gwynhyfarr Message Well that wasn't going to do much. We will withdraw but I think Terrans get a chance to move first. Slight update in the logs.
130 7/12/2020 7:27:00 PM Turn 4 Pereen Message Posting Pereen (player 2) combat log. Up to Gwynhyfarr.
129 7/12/2020 7:21:00 PM Turn 4 Pereen Message Results

Pereen roll 3 with 18 factors, inflicting 3 step losses.
Gwynhyfarr roll 1 with 6 factors, inflicting 1 step loss.
128 7/12/2020 7:19:00 PM Turn 4 Pereen Die roll request Request: 6-sided die x 2


Message from Pereen:
During Naval combat, the 3 Pereen PDBs fire at Gwynhyfarr at Chi Draconis. Rolling on ACTS for both sides. Pereen roll is first with 18 factors and second roll is Gwyhyfarr with 6.
127 7/11/2020 7:28:00 PM Turn 4 Gwynhyfarr Message No emergency reserves.
126 7/11/2020 5:03:00 PM Turn 4 Pereen Message Log posted. Gwynhyfarr decision to call for emergency reserves. If not, just post here that it's okay for me to take my first war turn.
125 7/11/2020 4:36:00 PM Turn 4 Pereen Message ACTS roll is 2, for a result of 2/1. That eliminates the Gwynhyfarr drop troop (it only has 2 steps, regular infantry gets 3 steps). My infantry takes a hit.
124 7/11/2020 4:34:00 PM Turn 4 Pereen Die roll request Request: 6-sided die x 1


Message from Pereen:
1:1 on Chi Draconis
123 7/11/2020 4:34:00 PM Turn 4 Pereen Message Resolving the land combat on Chi Draconis. It's 3SP vs 3SP for 1:1 odds.
Ignore the die roll in my upcoming vassal log as we should be doing the rolls on ACTS (though I wish I could keep that roll).

122 7/11/2020 1:52:00 PM Turn 4 Gwynhyfarr Message ok i did a file to update and then the first file for my war movement. to pereen for movement.
121 7/11/2020 11:59:00 AM Turn 4 Pereen Message Gwynhyfarr reserve looks good. Go ahead with the first war turn.
120 7/10/2020 11:41:00 AM Turn 4 Pereen Message Makes sense. I'll go back and check the logs in the next day or so.
119 7/9/2020 11:43:00 PM Turn 4 Gwynhyfarr Message I think I see what happened. If you go back to log 26 you will see me both resolve the event and then adjust the reserves (though maybe not enough) but those moves didn't track into log 27. As I think all that happened from that point was some reassignment passes I can probably adjust from there, but it'd be good to confirm from your end as well.
118 7/9/2020 11:10:00 PM Turn 4 Pereen Message I was just rethinking the Gwynhyfarr reserve situation. It stil doesn't seem correct. Please compare the current contents against what starts in reserve at the beginning of the game.

I see: 1 Transport, 2 Medium Fleets, 1 tank. There should also be a drop corps, and then the two units that were placed into reserve due to the event. So there are either 3 units missing or Gwynhyfarr should have expended 3 VPs to pull them from reserves.
117 7/9/2020 7:10:00 PM Turn 4 Pereen Message Go ahead. Be sure to remove the event from the game.
116 7/8/2020 8:46:00 AM Turn 4 Gwynhyfarr Message I think did the event in the previous log and then skipped the reassignment in the most recent per the Terran message here. If that all checks out, let's see how this war goes.
115 7/5/2020 6:16:00 AM Turn 4 Pereen Message Note from the last Gwynhyfarr log that on the sequence of play, the occurrance of "Unit Reassignment" was associated with the Terran turn. So Terrans didn't advance the SOP and Gwyn thought it was a reference to their turn (though they do their unit reassignment immediately after their production ... see "H" on page 7.

Dave, the event chit needs to be resolved before you indicate who will take the first war turn (sending 2 of your units from systems to reserve.

Also review what's in your reserves; it looks like there's a drop corps that started the game there that isn't there currently.

If all of that impacts your war declaration, feel free to revoke it. Otherwise you'll determine if you or I take the first war turn as per 12.04.
114 7/2/2020 8:35:00 AM Turn 4 Terran Message out of this particular conflict .....
113 7/2/2020 8:34:00 AM Turn 4 Terran Message Earth unpreparedness mandates our humble Specie (hum) to stay out of this particul
112 7/1/2020 5:14:00 PM Turn 4 Pereen Message We're all pretty new so it'll be interesting to see how this works out.
111 7/1/2020 4:49:00 PM Turn 4 Gwynhyfarr Message New log with the declaration but may need some guidance on the steps to take to get to that sequence. I believe the Terrans have to decide if they will remain neutral first.
110 7/1/2020 4:31:00 PM Turn 4 Gwynhyfarr Message "Are we really going to continue bickering amongst ourselves while our enemies claim our domain! Put your differences aside and come together now to protect what is ours. Already whole star systems are being taken from under our noses. I say enough, now who is with me?!"
109 7/1/2020 2:32:00 PM Turn 4 Terran Message No Terran reassignment
108 6/29/2020 6:17:00 PM Turn 4 Pereen Message Glad you were able to get the update to work. Pereen completed their reassignments. Over to Terran.
107 6/28/2020 3:19:00 PM Turn 4 Gwynhyfarr Message Got it working after a restart.

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