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250 3/27/2020 10:53:00 PM Master ID = 25760 Game Deleted
249 3/27/2020 10:40:00 PM Spring 1915 Central Powers Message Thanks for the great advice David!
I think I put a little too much effort all over, and was not focussed overall, and as such I kept spending unnecessary OPS all over.

here is the vassal link for Crusaiders.

http://www.vassalengine.org/wiki/Module:Crusade_and_Revolution:_The_Spanish_Civil_War,_1936-1939

248 3/27/2020 10:36:00 PM Spring 1915 Allies Message I don't see an ACTS module for Crusades
247 3/27/2020 10:35:00 PM Spring 1915 Allies Message This is much more of an issue for CP than AP. As AP my strategy is pretty much always the same, and often works. Manage the huge difference in RP per card played for reinforcements such that CP eventually collapses due to attrition, or is immobilized by being forced to play multiple card/turn for RP.

But for CP, they are trying to force collapse, either of France or Russia. to get the full reward, the pressure, on one of them, must be sustained even at some cost on the other front.
246 3/27/2020 10:28:00 PM Spring 1915 Allies Message Agreed on restart. I had just concluded that I should leave RU4 isolated just to bring it back into balance, but the difference in WS, and just getting cards out of the deck, is pretty big.

The most important advice I can give you is to stick to a strategy. Early on you had great success in northern Russia, and did not hit the FR hard. this is fine, but then you must continue that theme. my progress against AH does not matter much if GE focuses on getting the Tsar event, and makes a sustained effort to support AH with GE. Given the early entrance of Italy, which is very bad for a CP effort that is trying to win in the west, and given your success near Insterberg, I think the real problem with the Cambrai offensive has nothing to do with that western front, but with the fact that the troops and the ops were better used in the east.
my opinion.
245 3/27/2020 10:21:00 PM Spring 1915 Allies Message thanks!
244 3/27/2020 10:11:00 PM Spring 1915 Central Powers Message By the way, I playing another similar mechanics game with a friend of mine called "Crusade and Revolutions", a game about the Spanish Civil War. It uses the same OPS, SR, RP concepts. Probably not as nice as PoG but I have to tell you quite the game to hold a line, since it has a very long front.. LOL... check it out when you get a chance, I think you will like it.
243 3/27/2020 10:08:00 PM Spring 1915 Central Powers Message Also I think I played my entrench a little too slow.
Should have played it earlier as CP.

Playing the game after 3+ years now, since I last played with you, so a little rusty :)

Let me know any other input you feel I did wrong. Always glad to here your insight and learn as I go along :)
242 3/27/2020 9:59:00 PM Spring 1915 Central Powers Message Actually, thinking it all through, shall we restart the game David?

I think its your game to be honest.
I am way too behind on WS and also don't even have reinforcement this turn.

Too many WS cards together also.
So really its just a matter of time, before its your game :)

I think I did a few errors, and ofcourse, with a good player like you that's enough.. LOL.

One of them is I think I kept a card for 2-3 turns. Never a good thing, since it made my cards cycles slower. Also, just as luck would have it all my WS cards did not come up till this turn, and really there is too many to play in one go, so late in the game.
Also I don't like the Cambrai move to be honest. Just too big a front as you said.

Let me know.
And as always, very grateful for the games I have with you.. Its always a learning experience for me :).. LOL.


241 3/27/2020 7:50:00 PM Spring 1915 Central Powers Message I hope that's fair :)
Either way, Pzemysl is toast.. LOL.
240 3/27/2020 7:35:00 PM Spring 1915 Central Powers Message ofcourse I would have done the attach from Pzemysly first :)
239 3/27/2020 7:34:00 PM Spring 1915 Central Powers Message Do you want to do it that way?
I am ok with that also..
238 3/27/2020 7:32:00 PM Spring 1915 Central Powers Message oh, I see what you are saying now.
Actually if that was the case David. I think I would done an attack on Lubin from Pzermsly as a second attack as well, and taken the risk.

6A to 6A.
Specially since its a sitting duck either way.

That is instead of the move from Essen

Since I k
237 3/27/2020 7:04:00 PM Spring 1915 Allies Message if my retreat is to Lublin, do you still wish to advance?
236 3/27/2020 6:37:00 PM Spring 1915 Central Powers Message I believe its your move.
235 3/27/2020 6:36:00 PM Spring 1915 Central Powers Message I see.
yes for sure, I will move the RUc from Lubin to Kars.
I see the Cau is on the way :)

Ah yes. that's true.
I cannot attack till the fort is destroyed.

I had forgotten about that.
234 3/27/2020 6:04:00 PM Spring 1915 Allies Message never mind, let's play with retreat to Czest. I was taking a risk and I knew it. Just a little more than I thought. :)
233 3/27/2020 5:59:00 PM Spring 1915 Allies Message it might throw off your move, but if I have that map correction I probably don't bring the RUc in to Lublin. I almost didn't anyway, but decided that if you forced a retreat to Tarnow I would be able to rescue by winning at Prz. If OK I would bring the last RUc in to Kars instead. It's OK if you'd rather proceed with RU4 at Czest; it was my map error.

on your questions, yes RU4 is OOS at either Czest or Tarnow when you advance. note that you cannot attack out of Ivan with the only unit sieging the fort.
232 3/27/2020 5:23:00 PM Spring 1915 Central Powers Message I see..
Sorry about that David.. I know I have taken quite a few moves back and removed. My appologies!

It may work out in your favour also.
If (RU4) retreats to Czest..

Then yes, move GE9 to Ivangorod.
231 3/27/2020 4:58:00 PM Spring 1915 Allies Message oh. I must not have removed the control marker when I undid the move.
230 3/27/2020 4:45:00 PM Spring 1915 Central Powers Message I had originally planned to move GE9 to Czest at #130 but then decided to move to Warsaw instead via plock at #133
229 3/27/2020 4:42:00 PM Spring 1915 Central Powers Message I did move a GEc from Insterber to Lodz at #141, but that was just a 3 MP move, since Czest was too far to reach and get back to Lodz.
228 3/27/2020 4:30:00 PM Spring 1915 Central Powers Message No David, I did not take control of Czestochova, since GE9 moved to Warsaw via Plock.
227 3/27/2020 4:11:00 PM Spring 1915 Allies Message I have Czest as your control. no?
226 3/27/2020 1:56:00 PM Spring 1915 Central Powers Message Here is what it says for Retreat:

In cases where multiple spaces that are not fully stacked exist for a unit to retreat, follow the following priority list:
1) Into a friendly space in supply.
2) Into a friendly space not in supply
3) Into an enemy space that would result in the retreating
unit being in supply.
4) Into an enemy space that that would result in the retreating
unit not being in supply.
225 3/27/2020 1:54:00 PM Spring 1915 Central Powers Message I am just looking through the latest rules 12.5.5, and it seems to suggest you have to move to a friend controlled space before enemy controlled, so so I think you have to retreat to Czestochova?

Also I think I got the answer to my second question.
They would OOS and would not be able to move or attack
224 3/27/2020 1:35:00 PM Spring 1915 Central Powers Message So I have a couple of question David.
1. The RU has to retreat to Tarnow (CP controlled area), because or else it would be an overstack situation at Lubin?

2. Is (RU4) OOS if GE9 moves to Ivangorod, and as such will not be able to be activated? till it regains the line?
223 3/27/2020 1:17:00 PM Spring 1915 Allies Message but the russians can't hit the big one. 3/2
flip RU4 and (RUc) to elim. retreat must go forward to Tarnow. do you advance?
222 3/27/2020 1:16:00 PM Spring 1915 Allies Die roll request Request: 6-sided die x 2

2
2


Message from Allies:
Ivangorod:
CP 5A
AP 4A
221 3/27/2020 1:15:00 PM Spring 1915 Allies Message Lomza destroyed and both GEc flip. Brest holds out.
220 3/27/2020 1:15:00 PM Spring 1915 Allies Die roll request Request: 6-sided die x 4

5
4
1
5


Message from Allies:
correct.
Lomza:
CP 2C
AP 1C
Brest:
CP 2C
AP 1C
219 3/27/2020 12:08:00 PM Spring 1915 Central Powers Message I have forgotten little on attack strength to destroy a fort on its own. Attack result equal to fort strength is enough correct?

if so make the attack as follows:

GEc Warsaw attacks Lomza (fort) (2C vs 1C)
GEc Warsa attacks BL (fort) (2C vs 1C)
GE9 Warsaw attacks Ivangorod (5A vs 4A)
218 3/27/2020 12:03:00 PM Spring 1915 Central Powers Message hold a sec David.
217 3/27/2020 11:55:00 AM Spring 1915 Central Powers Message No T1, but -1 Marker there.
216 3/27/2020 11:55:00 AM Spring 1915 Central Powers Die roll request Request: 6-sided die x 1

5


Message from Central Powers:
Sedan T1?
215 3/27/2020 11:54:00 AM Spring 1915 Central Powers Play Strategy card as Operations #31: 3 / Kemal
A TU unit defender (SN unit does not count) with a combat factor of 1 or more may fire on the Army Table. May only be used in one Combat per turn. See also 12.3.4.1.

Message from Central Powers:
Yes, correct RB(2)

M TUc Damascus to Beersheba
A Warsaw to Ivangorod (9A vs 4A)
M GE3 Seda to Brussels
M GE1 digs in Sedan
214 3/27/2020 11:41:00 AM Spring 1915 Allies Play Strategy card as Strategic Redeployment #45: 3 / Kerensky Offensive
May only be played after "Fall of Tsar" and before the "Bolshevik Revolution". Allied player conducts Operations using this card and one RU attack vs. a space with any AH, BU, or TU units adds a +2 drm. AL player announces intent to use this effect prior to the CP player’s use of defensive CC.

Message from Allies:
BRc Ostend to Verona
RUc RB to Lublin (5)
BRc RB to Port Said (2)
FRc C-T to Asiago
OOS threat vs Gaza.
213 3/27/2020 11:35:00 AM Spring 1915 Allies Message GE RB at (2), correct?
212 3/27/2020 11:32:00 AM Spring 1915 Central Powers Play Strategy card as Operations #24: 3 / Libyan Revolt (TU Reinforcements)
May only be played if there are no Allied units in the Libya space. Place the SN unit in Libya. SN unit is always in supply. Space converted by the SN units are checked normally during the Attrition phase.

Message from Central Powers:
SR GEc Cambrai to Pzermysl
SR GEc Cambrai to Warsaw
SR GEc RB to Warsaw
SR GEc RB to Trent
211 3/27/2020 12:35:00 AM Spring 1915 Allies Message AH and FR
210 3/27/2020 12:35:00 AM Spring 1915 Allies Die roll request Request: 6-sided die x 2

1
2


Message from Allies:
MO:
CP
AP
209 3/27/2020 12:33:00 AM Spring 1915 Allies Draw Strategy cards T war cards added to deck.
208 3/27/2020 12:33:00 AM Spring 1915 Allies Discard Strategy card #18: 2 / Hurricane Barrage

Message from Allies:
we don't know how the west will turn out. you are taking advantage of my deployment.

no advance. discard.

No RP
207 3/27/2020 12:26:00 AM Spring 1915 Central Powers Draw Strategy cards
206 3/27/2020 12:26:00 AM Winter 1915 Central Powers End Turn
205 3/27/2020 12:24:00 AM Winter 1915 Central Powers Message Warsaw falls.
204 3/27/2020 12:24:00 AM Winter 1915 Central Powers Die roll request Request: 6-sided die x 1

4


Message from Central Powers:
Warsaw
203 3/27/2020 12:21:00 AM Winter 1915 Central Powers Message Yes, you maybe correct about Cambrai.
Just thought of trying something different I guess.

I think the traditional Brussels rout is probably the better option as you said.
202 3/27/2020 12:20:00 AM Winter 1915 Central Powers Message 3/1 result to AP.
Flip RUc
Flip AH 1 and retreat to Miscolenz

Advance?
201 3/27/2020 12:14:00 AM Winter 1915 Central Powers Die roll request Request: 6-sided die x 2

3
1


Message from Central Powers:
Taranow.
AP
CP
200 3/26/2020 10:30:00 PM Winter 1915 Allies Play Strategy card as Operations #31: 4 / MEF (BR Reinforcements)
May only be played if Turkey is at war and before "Salonika". May be played as normal reinforcement after Salonika. Place the MEF Army and the Beachhead marker at any MEF space. See 9.5.3.5.

Message from Allies:
M:RU9 and RU10 Czern to Lemberg
M:RU8 Kam-pod to Lemberg. RUc Kam-pod to Czern.
M:(IT3) Maggiore to Asiago
A:Ivangorod vs Tarnow. 4A vs 3A.
199 3/26/2020 10:21:00 PM Winter 1915 Allies Message I'm still not sure it is a sound strategy, because you did not get to pound the french long enough. only one FR army in the elim, and BR armies each turn. the extra frontage at Cambrai can be hard to hold onto. We'll see. eventually I have to straighten out the problem at Verdun.
198 3/26/2020 10:17:00 PM Winter 1915 Allies Message I will say that this path is much more dangerous than your original idea of plunging forward without GEc or trenches and only 8 armies in the west. :)
197 3/26/2020 9:18:00 PM Winter 1915 Central Powers Message T1 Cambrai.
196 3/26/2020 9:17:00 PM Winter 1915 Central Powers Die roll request Request: 6-sided die x 1

1


Message from Central Powers:
T1 Cambrai?
195 3/26/2020 9:17:00 PM Winter 1915 Central Powers Message oops sorry, I was planning on doing a 2nd entrench attempt at Cambrai with the -1 modifier in place.

So make that :

M GE10 digs
M AH6 Timisvar to Belgrade
M (AHc) Timisva to Sarajevo
194 3/26/2020 8:48:00 PM Winter 1915 Central Powers Message ok, that's a good point.
Yeah, I have never seen it that fast, so was a surprise for me.

ofcourse, I am sure I haven't played this nearly as much as you :)

feel free to point any mistakes I maybe doing as well David. Happy to learn as we play along, since you are definitely the more experienced player here.
193 3/26/2020 8:46:00 PM Winter 1915 Central Powers Play Strategy card as Operations #18: 2 / Fortified Machine Guns
A GE entrenched defender adds a +1 drm.

Message from Central Powers:
M AH5 Belgrade to Nis
M AH6 Timisvar to Nis
M (AHc) Timisva to Sarajevo
192 3/26/2020 3:57:00 PM Winter 1915 Allies Play Strategy card as Event #25: 3 / Russian Reinforcements (6th Army, 7th Army)
6th Army, 7th Army, 2 corps.

Message from Allies:
both in Petro. RB
191 3/26/2020 3:57:00 PM Winter 1915 Allies Message TUc flips
190 3/26/2020 3:56:00 PM Winter 1915 Allies Die roll request Request: 6-sided die x 2

1
5


Message from Allies:
Batum
CP 1C
AP 1C
189 3/26/2020 3:55:00 PM Winter 1915 Allies Message I don't think it can happen faster than this, although I've seen it as fast several times. It can be a mixed blessing if important reinforcements are in the remaining deck that gets reshuffled.
188 3/26/2020 3:19:00 PM Winter 1915 Central Powers Message no trench, just a -1 modifier
187 3/26/2020 3:19:00 PM Winter 1915 Central Powers Die roll request Request: 6-sided die x 1

5


Message from Central Powers:
Cambrai
186 3/26/2020 3:18:00 PM Winter 1915 Central Powers Play Strategy card as Operations #3: 2 / Von Francois
A GE attack vs. RU units adds a +1 drm. May be used against spaces with RU and other nationalities.

Message from Central Powers:
Wow.. you really have flown through the War Status there :). Probably the fastest I have ever seen.

Just curious. Have you seen it happen this fast?
I have to say, I did a few things wrong, on that front, but just haven't had the WS cards come up.

This could be a quick game for you.. :).

M GE10 digs in Cambrai.
A Riga to Batum (1c vs 1c) (MO)
185 3/26/2020 2:45:00 PM Winter 1915 Allies Play Strategy card as Event #26: 3 / Lusitania
May only be played after "Blockade" and before "Zimmermann Telegram". Subtract 1 VP.

War Status increased to 11

Message from Allies:
184 3/26/2020 1:14:00 PM Winter 1915 Central Powers Play Strategy card as Event #14: 4 / Austria - Hungary Reinforcements (7th Army)
7th Army, 2 corps.

Message from Central Powers:
Budapest
183 3/26/2020 12:50:00 PM Winter 1915 Allies Play Strategy card as Event #10: 3 / French Reinforcements (10th Army)
10th Army.

Message from Allies:
Orleans
182 3/26/2020 12:28:00 PM Winter 1915 Central Powers Play Strategy card as Event #6: 3 / Entrench
Place a Level 1 Trench (not improve a Level 1 to Level 2) in any space occupied by a supplied friendly Army. Both players may now entrench. Only one player may play this card as an event.

Message from Central Powers:
Time to bring in trenching technology, but to be honest, in hindsight, may have been smarter to bring this technology in the first time around... :)

T1 in Brussels
181 3/26/2020 12:02:00 PM Winter 1915 Allies Message My move stays the same except that the BR armies end at Amiens.
180 3/26/2020 11:55:00 AM Winter 1915 Central Powers Message ok..
I had missed the arrival of FR7 in Paris.. lol.
no worries.

updated my map now.
179 3/26/2020 11:34:00 AM Winter 1915 Allies Message I think the only FRc I lost was when FR4 blew up in Verdun. sent to RB as part of last turn's replacement phase, instead of FR4 to Paris.
178 3/26/2020 11:31:00 AM Winter 1915 Allies Message FR7 is also in Paris, which is why I couldn't bring in FR4 there. :)
I have 6 FRc in RB.
177 3/26/2020 11:01:00 AM Winter 1915 Central Powers Message Also I seem to have a FRc off map..
Could we do a quick Sync on the FR forces in France and also RB.

I have:
- FR5, FR6 in Paris.
- FR1, FR2 in Nancy
- FR9, FRc in Belfort
- FRc in CT
- FRc in Greenoble
- FRc in Udine
- RB(5)?

176 3/26/2020 10:58:00 AM Winter 1915 Central Powers Play Strategy card as Strategic Redeployment #20: 3 / Austria - Hungary Reinforcements (10th Army)
10th Army.

Message from Central Powers:
SR GEc RB to Brussels
SR GEc RB to Cambrai
SR GEc RB to Cambrai
SR AHc RB to Villach
175 3/26/2020 10:56:00 AM Winter 1915 Central Powers Return Strategy card to hand #3: 2 / Von Francois

Message from Central Powers:
174 3/26/2020 10:50:00 AM Winter 1915 Central Powers Message Sorry David, I was rethinking that move per #172..

Yes, I think its too hairy a move for GE.. LOL.
173 3/26/2020 10:15:00 AM Winter 1915 Allies Play Strategy card as Operations #12: 3 / Entrench
Place a Level 1 Trench (not improve a Level 1 to Level 2) in any space occupied by a supplied friendly Army. Both players may now entrench. Only one player may play this card as an event.

Message from Allies:
getting pretty hairy in France...
M:BR2 and BR4 London to Cambrai via Amiens
M:FR9 Belfort to Dijon
M:FRc Grenoble to Nevers
172 3/26/2020 10:07:00 AM Winter 1915 Central Powers Message hold a sec
171 3/26/2020 10:03:00 AM Winter 1915 Central Powers Play Strategy card as Operations #3: 2 / Von Francois
A GE attack vs. RU units adds a +1 drm. May be used against spaces with RU and other nationalities.

Message from Central Powers:
ok, let see what happens here.

A GE10 and GE7 to CT auto kill FRc and both move to CT
170 3/26/2020 9:38:00 AM Winter 1915 Central Powers Message ok, thanks.
169 3/26/2020 9:36:00 AM Winter 1915 Allies Message fort holds. roll must exceed fort value. I've seen 1 strength forts hold out a long time!
168 3/26/2020 9:35:00 AM Winter 1915 Central Powers Message so for Warsaw it still holds?
I forgotten whether you have to roll greater than the fort value or whether equal is enough
167 3/26/2020 9:33:00 AM Winter 1915 Central Powers Message yes, I agree David.
Its actually what made me make that move.

Also I think BEF gets a little isolated from the rest of the BR I feel.
166 3/26/2020 9:31:00 AM Winter 1915 Allies Play Strategy card as Event #15: 3 / British Reinforcements (4th Army)
4th Army, 1 corps.

Message from Allies:
London and RB
165 3/26/2020 9:29:00 AM Winter 1915 Allies Message I'll never put both BEF and BE1 in Verdun again. just BE1 is enough, leaving BEF to help build defense on the channel. op cost at Verdun is too big.
164 3/26/2020 9:28:00 AM Winter 1915 Central Powers Message warsaw holds? roll has to be higher than fort value for it to fall?

fogoten now :)
163 3/26/2020 9:27:00 AM Winter 1915 Central Powers Die roll request Request: 6-sided die x 1

2


Message from Central Powers:
forgot to roll for Warsaw last turn.
162 3/26/2020 9:21:00 AM Winter 1915 Central Powers Message ok, made your RP change, and I am good with my move.
161 3/26/2020 9:18:00 AM Winter 1915 Central Powers Message hold a sec David.. I didn't see your RP change till now.
don't think it will change my move, but let me get back...
160 3/26/2020 9:16:00 AM Winter 1915 Central Powers Message Also
M GE10 is via Amiens.
159 3/26/2020 9:13:00 AM Winter 1915 Central Powers Play Strategy card as Operations #8: 3 / Race to the Sea
CP units may now end movement in Ostend, Calais, and Amiens. Card may also be played as an event after CP WS is at 4.

Message from Central Powers:
going to try something different here.

M AH11 Vilach to Trent
M GE10 Brussels to Cambrai
M GE7 Mulhouse to Sedan
158 3/26/2020 9:04:00 AM Winter 1915 Allies Message I have placed 4 units in Paris with those RP orders. let's go with this for FR instead:
flip FR6 Paris. FRc to RB.

that should leave FR4 alone in the elim box.
157 3/26/2020 12:44:00 AM Winter 1915 Allies Draw Strategy cards
156 3/26/2020 12:39:00 AM Winter 1915 Central Powers Message FR and TU for MO
155 3/26/2020 12:38:00 AM Winter 1915 Central Powers Die roll request Request: 6-sided die x 2

2
3


Message from Central Powers:
MO:
AP
CP
154 3/26/2020 12:34:00 AM Winter 1915 Central Powers Draw Strategy cards
153 3/26/2020 12:34:00 AM Fall 1914 Central Powers End Turn
152 3/26/2020 12:34:00 AM Fall 1914 Central Powers Discard Strategy card #19: 2 / Flamethrowers

Message from Central Powers:
151 3/26/2020 12:31:00 AM Fall 1914 Central Powers Message

AH:2
Flip AH2 Trieste
AHc to RB(4)

GE:3
Flip GEc Oppeln
Flip GEc Konigsberg
Flip GEc Uzgorod

TU:1
Flip TUc Rise

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