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|1059||9/29/2020 7:16:00 PM||Turn 6||Larry||Message||
Does anyone have any commodities left??
|1058||9/29/2020 3:29:00 PM||Turn 6||Todd||Message||
The Sardakk took the secondary
|1057||9/29/2020 3:20:00 PM||Turn 6||Kevin||Message||
In theory you can make any kind of offer at any time, but transactions can only occur with the active player.
That being said, for the sake of sanity, let's aim to only make offers to/from the active player.
|1056||9/29/2020 3:20:00 PM||Turn 6||Todd||Message||
Ah. Good to know
|1055||9/29/2020 3:18:00 PM||Turn 6||Kevin||Message||
you can make offers to the active player
|1054||9/29/2020 3:18:00 PM||Turn 6||Kevin||Message||
yep 2:2 - meant to suggest it as well but forgot.
|1053||9/29/2020 3:17:00 PM||Turn 6||Todd||Message||
Need to wait for your turn to offer trade deals, Monte.
|1052||9/29/2020 3:17:00 PM||Turn 6||Kevin||Message||
Hacan played Transit Diodes to remove infantry from Gral.
Then played Tech strategy card. I took Dreadnaught2 and Light Wave Deflector. the 2nd tech is free for me becuase of an Agenda card.
Over to everyone for the tech secondary
Spend a Command Token and 4 Resources to research 1 technology
|1051||9/29/2020 3:15:00 PM||Turn 6||Monte||Message||
Very well then. Kevin will you trade with me then?
|1050||9/29/2020 3:04:00 PM||Turn 6||Kevin||Message||
No worries Scott and thanks for the detailed reply, and for doing the logfile for all.
sounds like we are ready to press on. I am up next
|1049||9/29/2020 2:59:00 PM||Turn 6||Scott||Message||
Kevin, sorry to slow things down. I was actually working on it when this came in.
Here is how it stands - I'll make the log file accordingly:
- Todd - accepts offer. I will replenish his his 3 commodities, he gives me three commodities in return for two TG - I net one additional TG from the deal.
- Steve - Politely declines. Something's going on there...
- Hacan - Will trade 4:4 so all my Commodities and his Commodities convert to TG.
- Monte - I'll be magnanamous and give you the secondary for free. You're off in your corner of the galaxy...
- Larry - I'll take your payment tomorrow (2TG) in exchange for the commodities replenishment
Log file made.
|1048||9/29/2020 1:54:00 PM||Turn 6||Kevin||Message||
Scott what are you thinking here?
While we do want folk to be have room to get creative with their trades, given the asynchronous nature of PBEM it's the part that slows us down the most it seems.
I think there is value in trying to keep things simple where we can.
|1047||9/28/2020 8:27:00 PM||Turn 6||Steve||Message||
Sol sends word via emissary that we politely decline the generous offer.
|1046||9/28/2020 8:16:00 PM||Turn 6||Larry||Message||
Scott---am I hearing you don't want to accept my "gladly pay you Tuesday for commodities today" offer?
|1045||9/28/2020 8:14:00 PM||Turn 6||Larry||Message||
Monte, Scott was right earlier. He can't deny us the secondary option but he can allow us to replenish our commodities without spending a CT using the option in the primary. You and I are at a bit of a disadvantage because we are not adjacent(something to think about in the future). We can still replenish our commodities but unless Scott wants to be magnanimous toward us we have to pay a CT.
|1044||9/28/2020 7:32:00 PM||Turn 6||Scott||Message||
Oh...I see what you're saying.
Let me think on it - Steve, are you wanting to deal?
|1043||9/28/2020 7:24:00 PM||Turn 6||Monte||Message||
The card states you can pick any number of players to use the secondary, but if you don't then the player has to pay for it with a token. I can't afford a token, so if you can't let me trade I won't be trading
|1042||9/28/2020 7:20:00 PM||Turn 6||Monte||Message||
I think the primary player has to allow the other players to take the secondary
|1041||9/28/2020 7:20:00 PM||Turn 6||Monte||Message||
I think the primary player has to allow the other players to take the secondary
|1040||9/28/2020 6:52:00 PM||Turn 6||Scott||Message||
Monte, I believe you can take the secondary no matter what - I'm just doing trades/deals with my neighbors. Unfortunately, I can't offer you a deal, as you're on the other side of the galaxy...and we turtles travel a little bit slowly...
|1039||9/28/2020 6:36:00 PM||Turn 6||Monte||Message||
I will take the secondary if Scott offers it.
|1038||9/28/2020 6:25:00 PM||Turn 6||Scott||Message||
Understood - and I'm just being a greedy Turtle thinking of myself and how I can gain from this...Steve, just need to know from your side if you're wanting to deal with the turtles.
I think those Terrans are out at the bars...
|1037||9/28/2020 6:17:00 PM||Turn 6||Kevin||Message||
oh and Hacan don't need the deal as they get the Secondary of Trade for free. Still up for the 4:4 commodity exchange tho
|1036||9/28/2020 6:15:00 PM||Turn 6||Kevin||Message||
Monte can still take the Secondary for a Command Token as can Larry.
|1035||9/28/2020 6:06:00 PM||Turn 6||Scott||Message||
Okay, I just re-read what I typed, and I don't think that came out exactly right for Steve. Should have been "Whiskey and Wemen."
Wow...I gotta proofread...
|1034||9/28/2020 6:05:00 PM||Turn 6||Scott||Message||
Oh, and Todd/Sardaak are on for the deal as well
|1033||9/28/2020 6:04:00 PM||Turn 6||Scott||Message||
Kevin, thankyou very much for all the clarifications and patience with this. I for one really appreciate it.
So, this is where it stands:
- Kevin/Hacan want the deal and will trade 4:4 if necessary.
- Larry/The Professor wants the deal and will agree to pay me 2TG in the future if/when we get adjacent. Can't trade physical goods unless adjacent, and we're not. Hmmm...can the shifty University Professors be trusted? We turtles aren't entirely sure...
- Monte/LeBaron - not adjacent, not much to do there.
- Steve/"Mr. Likker and Wemen" - Haven't heard from you yet...
|1032||9/28/2020 9:13:00 AM||Turn 6||Kevin||Message||
You can give the free Secondary of Trade to anyone.
Transactions (TG/Commodities/Promissory Cards) can only be exchanged by neighbors (other than with the Hacan)
Here's the relevant sections
A deal is an agreement between two players that may or may not
include a transaction that involves physical components.
27.1 Players can make deals with each other at any time, even
if they are not neighbors. However, deals that include a
transaction must follow the rules for transactions, including that
the players be neighbors.
A transaction is a way for a player to exchange commodities, trade
goods, and promissory notes.
83.1 During the active player’s turn, he may resolve up to one
transaction with each of his neighbors.
• A player can resolve a transaction at any time during his
turn, even during a combat.
83.2 To resolve a transaction, a player gives any number of trade
goods and commodities and up to one promissory note to
a neighbor in exchange for any number of trade goods and
commodities and up to one promissory note.
|1031||9/28/2020 1:20:00 AM||Turn 6||Scott||Message||
I think I can offer the deal to anyone, right? Is it considered a trade if I offer anyone the ability to exercise their secondary without paying a strategy token? Or is me charging 1 TG considered a trade?
I'm thinking the trade to convert commodities to TG is the issue, but me selling the secondary is part of the card.
Am I understanding correctly? I think I am.
Just want to make sure I understand everything before I do the commodity swap (Kevin).
|1030||9/27/2020 4:48:00 PM||Turn 6||Kevin||Message||
Commodities don't go away but when you draw during Trade you draw to the number on your Faction Sheet - you don't necessarily draw that many (unless you have none), so there's incentive to get rid of them before the next Trade card.
|1029||9/27/2020 4:42:00 PM||Turn 6||Scott||Message||
I'm traveling today, so I won't be able to get to this until later this evening/tomorrow morning.
Apologies - if someone wants to do the mechanics of the deal to keep things moving, I'm fine with that.
It's funny - I looked at everyone's public displays, looking for commodities. Seems like commodities don't stick around for long...hence my thinking that maybe I missed something.
|1028||9/27/2020 2:13:00 PM||Turn 6||Larry||Message||
OK, thanks. I was rereading the trade, transaction and wormhole rules and I see how it works. Scott, would you allow me to have the secondary based on the promise of giving you 2 TG when/if we become adjacent?
|1027||9/27/2020 2:07:00 PM||Turn 6||Kevin||Message||
right that is still a trade.
He can give you the trade Secondary for free, or for a future amount should you ever become adjacent, but with current board position you can't send TG each other's way
|1026||9/27/2020 2:06:00 PM||Turn 6||Kevin||Message||
yeh only the wormhole tiles themselves are adjacent
|1025||9/27/2020 2:05:00 PM||Turn 6||Larry||Message||
Or can I just send a trade good Scott's way? Or is that still considered a trade?
|1024||9/27/2020 2:03:00 PM||Turn 6||Larry||Message||
I thought we are neighbors due to the alpha wormhole. Or does Scott need to actually occupy the wormhole hex?
|1023||9/27/2020 1:01:00 PM||Turn 6||Todd||Message||
The Sardakk will take the replenish commodities in exchange for 1 TG deal.
|1022||9/27/2020 12:30:00 PM||Turn 6||Kevin||Message||
Larry - I dont think you can trade with the XXcha as you are not neighbors...
you can pay the CT and take the Secondary. you and i can trade on one of our turns.
|1021||9/27/2020 12:29:00 PM||Turn 6||Kevin||Message||
Monte- pls read the journal. It's all there
|1020||9/27/2020 12:26:00 PM||Turn 6||Monte||Message||
Has someone played the Trade card alraedy? Are we up for the seoncdary?
|1019||9/27/2020 12:22:00 PM||Turn 6||Larry||Message||
I am willing to trade using the Xxacha offer. I will have to give them one but I can do a 4 for 4. Kevin, if you're still interested. Kevin, do we need to wait until our turn?
|1018||9/27/2020 11:47:00 AM||Turn 6||Kevin||Message||
We have been using commodities all game so not sure i understand the question...
Hacan get the Trade Secondary for free.
Xxhca can only trade with Neighbors (Sol and Saardak) and the Hacan.
I'll offer a 4:4 Commodity swap.
|1017||9/27/2020 11:42:00 AM||Turn 6||Scott||Message||
Xxacha plays Trade. Gained 3 trade goods, replenished commodities...and making the same offer for everyone that the Hacan always do...takers?
Also, I have four commodities...willing to trade commodities or TG for my commodities as well. Not sure - I think I may have missed this - are we not using commodities? Just doing TG instead?
Secondary is "Spend 1 token from your strategy pool to replenish commodities." So, I'll offer to everyone pay me one of their TG to replenish their commodities without using a strategy token. Also, we'll trade across to convert them.
|1016||9/27/2020 9:51:00 AM||Turn 6||Steve||Message||
Sol places a Space Dock in Mecatol.
|1015||9/26/2020 6:51:00 PM||Turn 6||Scott||Message||
Xxacha will not play the secondary.
|1014||9/26/2020 3:08:00 PM||Turn 6||Monte||Message||
combat is done, not sure who is up next
|1013||9/26/2020 3:07:00 PM||Turn 6||Monte||Message||
The Baron will not use the secondary of Construction
|1012||9/26/2020 2:52:00 PM||Turn 6||Kevin||Message||
Hacan will not use the Construction Secondary
|1011||9/26/2020 2:47:00 PM||Turn 6||Larry||Message||
Jol Nar played the Construction strategy card. The secondary is to spend 1 strategy token, place it in a system and then place either a space port or a PDS in that system. I left the Strat card face up for now.
|1010||9/26/2020 12:30:00 PM||Turn 6||Todd||Message||
Played an action card and repealed the shared research law. Over to Larry.
|1009||9/25/2020 7:54:00 PM||Turn 6||Monte||Message||
combat is done, not sure who is up next
|1008||9/25/2020 2:21:00 PM||Turn 6||Monte||Message||
Played a tactical. Back to Todd to see if he wants to retreat
|1007||9/25/2020 9:50:00 AM||Turn 6||Monte||Message||
Got it! I should have it done by 1PM today. Retirement is way too busy!
|1006||9/25/2020 8:50:00 AM||Turn 6||Kevin||Message||
Monte you are up to lead off
|1005||9/24/2020 12:25:00 PM||Turn 6||Kevin||Message||
Sorry LArry, not Production Biomes (that's the TG one as you point out) - Quautum Datahub Node is the tech that allows me to switch Strategy Cards for 3TG.
|1004||9/24/2020 12:09:00 PM||Turn 6||Larry||Message||
Thanks Kevin, I wonder if you had played Production Biomes and taken the Construction card, would you have gotten the TG then? That's kinda' why I hesitated to take it.
|1003||9/24/2020 9:36:00 AM||Turn 6||Kevin||Message||
Monte - dont forget to undamage all your ships at Mecatol
|1002||9/24/2020 9:30:00 AM||Turn 6||Kevin||Message||
On to the Action Phase. Order of play updated. Monte to lead us off!
|1001||9/24/2020 9:30:00 AM||Turn 6||Kevin||Change Player 0 player||Player 0 player changed from Kevin Graves to Kevin Graves|
|1000||9/24/2020 9:29:00 AM||Turn 5||Kevin||End Turn|
|999||9/24/2020 9:29:00 AM||Turn 4||Kevin||End Turn|
|998||9/24/2020 9:28:00 AM||Turn 4||Kevin||Message||
Larry - I moved the TG from Construction to your Faction Sheet.
Hacan will not use Production Biomes to change their Strategy card pick.
|997||9/24/2020 9:25:00 AM||Turn 4||Kevin||Message||
Hacan take tech
|996||9/24/2020 8:10:00 AM||Turn 4||Larry||Message||
Scott, the best way to get the leadership card I have found is to take Politics to make yourself Speaker so you have first pick the next turn. Of course it didn't work out for me this time because Monte played that darn action card.
|995||9/24/2020 12:21:00 AM||Turn 4||Todd||Message||
The Sardakk took Politics.
|994||9/24/2020 12:14:00 AM||Turn 4||Scott||Message||
Xxacha picked Trade.
And how the heck do I get that leadership card again!?!?!
|993||9/23/2020 10:20:00 PM||Turn 4||Steve||Message||
Sol takes Imperial
|992||9/23/2020 9:28:00 PM||Turn 4||Larry||Message||
Jol Nar chose Construction for their strategy card. Not sure if I should take attached TG yet or not. I think Steve is next.
|991||9/23/2020 8:54:00 PM||Turn 4||Larry||Message||
OK, thanks. I am just getting the importance of looking at ALL the files posted.
|990||9/23/2020 8:51:00 PM||Turn 4||Larry||Message||
Sorry Kevin for so many questions but I think I had an unused commodity that got flipped to a TG so I think I should have one less TG. I can adjust later.
|989||9/23/2020 8:48:00 PM||Turn 4||Kevin||Message||
TG added after everyone picks (to the 2 unpicked). I added them last turn
|988||9/23/2020 8:47:00 PM||Turn 4||Kevin||Message||
Monte played an Action card to reclaim his card from last turn
|987||9/23/2020 8:46:00 PM||Turn 4||Larry||Message||
Also, have the TG been added to the strategy cards??
|986||9/23/2020 8:44:00 PM||Turn 4||Larry||Message||
whoa, must have missed that. How did Monte get 1st pick??
|985||9/23/2020 8:35:00 PM||Turn 4||Larry||Message||
OK, I think agenda phase is over. Steve, double-check to make sure you have correct number of TG. Kevin, not sure there is a way for Steve to exhaust his new Propulsion card after he uses it. I suppose he can just mark it somehow.
|984||9/23/2020 8:20:00 PM||Turn 4||Kevin||Change Player 0 player||Player 0 player changed from Kevin Graves to Kevin Graves|
|983||9/23/2020 8:20:00 PM||Turn 4||Kevin||Message||
Go ahead please Larry!
|982||9/23/2020 8:15:00 PM||Turn 4||Larry||Message||
To keep things moving and Steve's offer is very fair, the Jol Nar will accept the Sol offer and vote for the planet Wellon for 3 TG. I think it's been illustrated again how important the position of Speaker is, especially when we only have one vote each. Kevin, do you want to do the file or should I??
|981||9/23/2020 5:52:00 PM||Turn 4||Steve||Message||
Todd. This is the final and deciding vote. Makes payment a sure thing. You voted earlier.
|980||9/23/2020 5:45:00 PM||Turn 4||Steve||Message||
Sol offers 3 TG
|979||9/23/2020 5:19:00 PM||Turn 4||Larry||Message||
The Jol Nar would cast the tie-breaking vote for anyone willing to pay a small price.
|978||9/23/2020 4:54:00 PM||Turn 4||Kevin||Message||
over to Speaker Larry then for the final vote and then presumably the tie-break decision
|977||9/23/2020 4:53:00 PM||Turn 4||Kevin||Message||
Hacan votes for Thibah
|976||9/23/2020 4:53:00 PM||Turn 4||Kevin||Message||
The Baron votes for New Albion then, which is his only Industrial planet.
|975||9/22/2020 12:36:00 PM||Turn 4||Todd||Message||
The Sardakk vote is for sale for 1 TG
|974||9/22/2020 10:59:00 AM||Turn 4||Scott||Message||
Xxacha votes for Lazar.
|973||9/22/2020 5:28:00 AM||Turn 4||Kevin||Message||
Scott up next to vote
|972||9/21/2020 8:13:00 PM||Turn 4||Steve||Message||
Sol votes for Wellon
|971||9/21/2020 10:10:00 AM||Turn 4||Kevin||Message||
Not seeing any takers Scott, so let's push on
Sol gets first vote.
Vote will be for a named Industrial planet (industrials are the ones with the Green symbol)
|970||9/20/2020 9:03:00 PM||Turn 4||Scott||Message||
The Xxacha will not play a card...however, we do have an ability to Quash the agenda item. It would require us to burn a CT, a valuable one at that...if anyone is wanting to pay us...the option is on the table...
|969||9/20/2020 8:22:00 PM||Turn 4||Steve||Message||
Sol will not play any before/after cards
|968||9/20/2020 7:05:00 PM||Turn 4||Larry||Message||
Jol Nar will NOT play any when/after cards
|967||9/20/2020 2:38:00 PM||Turn 4||Monte||Message||
no Letnev before or after
|966||9/20/2020 2:36:00 PM||Turn 4||Kevin||Message||
Hacan has no when/after cards
|965||9/20/2020 2:35:00 PM||Turn 4||Kevin||Message||
Elect Industrial Planet (so we are voting for industrial planets)
When the owner of this planet researches technology, he may exhaust this card to ignore 1 blue pre=requisite.
As before, 3 rounds When/After/Vote
feel free to state if you have no When/After cards
|964||9/20/2020 2:33:00 PM||Turn 4||Kevin||Message||
ok that Agenda becomes Law then (units can move through Nebulae)
|963||9/20/2020 1:50:00 PM||Turn 4||Monte||Message||
The Baron will vote for it
|962||9/20/2020 10:45:00 AM||Turn 4||Scott||Message||
Xxacha votes for.
|961||9/20/2020 9:23:00 AM||Turn 4||Steve||Message||
Sol votes For
|960||9/20/2020 9:13:00 AM||Turn 4||Kevin||Change Player 0 player||Player 0 player changed from Kevin Graves to Kevin Graves|
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