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126 8/2/2020 4:39:00 AM Master ID = 23324 Game Deleted
125 8/2/2020 4:34:00 AM Fall 1941 Axis Message hi there. I noticed that Moscow is not occupied and my tanks can reach it by just moving in this round. not sure I would do that. just giving you a heads up if you want to fix it. advantage for me is I dont need a card to attack it. I was not planning to do so many deep thrusts anymore but quite tempting although I am sure it will turn into a wild game then. what do you think?
124 8/1/2020 12:36:00 PM Fall 1941 Allied Message also if you dont mind to delete this old game
123 7/31/2020 1:54:00 AM Fall 1941 Axis Message sure we can restart. I would play it out. but it will probably be tough to defend Germany from the East now. I will get off my first moves later
122 7/31/2020 1:52:00 AM Fall 1941 Axis Message I wanted to just activate 1 unit. but you are right. I cant even activate the hex as it costs 2. anyway I think most of my units in Russia are DOOMED to OOS destruction. so I think I would need a miracle to win this one.
121 7/30/2020 4:32:00 PM Fall 1941 Allied Message dont think you can activate that space since 2 units and only 1 op

if you're OK with it, i would suggest we restart...both have learned the hard way about over extension and the "dance of death" haha...i didnt realize that in this game you can still activate OOS units (which is not that terrible compared to POG) and if they're eliminated, they're not gone permanently whihc is also nice...if you want we can keep same sides? i'm afraid if we conitnue this game at present itll be too altered to really get a feel of game moving forward (like bringing in allies/invasions, etc)
120 7/30/2020 3:47:00 PM Fall 1941 Axis Die roll request Request: 6-sided die x 2

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Message from Axis:
Soviet attack on Ula (or Ufa?). 6L vs 5L. att 1L for river. def 1L OOS. att/def
119 7/29/2020 5:24:00 PM Fall 1941 Allied Message 1 attack
118 7/29/2020 5:22:00 PM Fall 1941 Allied Play Strategy card as Operations #8: 2 / Fortified Boxes
"+1 DRM" for Allied Units defending a desert space.

Message from Allied:
117 7/29/2020 3:47:00 PM Fall 1941 Axis Die roll request Request: 6-sided die x 2

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Message from Axis:
Axis attack Rzhev. 13L vs 3L. 1L shift OOS. att/def
116 7/29/2020 3:44:00 PM Fall 1941 Axis Play Strategy card as Operations #13: 3 / Krim
Cancels Su fort combat effects for 1 attack vs. Sevastopol.

Message from Axis:
115 7/29/2020 3:43:00 PM Fall 1941 Axis Die roll request Request: 6-sided die x 2

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Message from Axis:
I guess you want to attack Kremenchug. 3L vs 2S. att/def
114 7/28/2020 9:21:00 PM Fall 1941 Allied Message 1 attack..advance out of that spot if possible
113 7/28/2020 9:19:00 PM Fall 1941 Allied Play Strategy card as Operations #11: 3 / Sorge
May place move/combat marker on 2 Soviet spaces. Allow play of Siberians

Message from Allied:
112 7/28/2020 9:17:00 PM Fall 1941 Allied Die roll request Request: 6-sided die x 2

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Message from Allied:
Axis
Allies
111 7/28/2020 9:17:00 PM Fall 1941 Allied Play Strategy card as Combat #10: 2 / NKVD Boosts Morale
"+1 DRM" for defending Soviet Units.

Message from Allied:
playing for combat
110 7/28/2020 11:38:00 AM Fall 1941 Axis Play Strategy card as Operations #8: 2 / Hitler Declares War
Add 1 VP. US Enters the war. Allow play of Allied US Build-Up card. PREREQ: May play after Summer 41.

Message from Axis:
109 7/28/2020 11:34:00 AM Fall 1941 Axis Die roll request Request: 6-sided die x 2

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Message from Axis:
Soviet attack on Kremenchug. 6L vs 3L. att/def
108 7/26/2020 7:26:00 PM Fall 1941 Allied Message 1 attack...put some of your guys OOS Now
107 7/26/2020 7:20:00 PM Fall 1941 Allied Play Strategy card as Operations #16: 5 / Sledgehammer
Beach head: Allied A-B,D. [Br1A], 2x US Corps. PREREQ: Play after US Build-Up. May not play after Torch.

Message from Allied:
106 7/26/2020 3:54:00 PM Fall 1941 Axis Message you are right. I interpreted it as 'on top of'. so I pay 1 for my panzer activation and not 2 and have another activation. so I did the moves as I orginally did.
105 7/25/2020 7:34:00 PM Fall 1941 Allied Message so you have 1 more movement i believe..it costs 1 op/unit if your are OOS (that's hwo i interpret the "in place of"). So if you had 3 units (like i did) it would cost 3 ops to activate (in place of the 1 op to activate)...
104 7/25/2020 4:15:00 PM Fall 1941 Axis Message ok. redid my turn. sorry, did not see that rule or remember it. I couldnt have rolled worse. my tank now in precarious situation.
103 7/25/2020 4:10:00 PM Fall 1941 Axis Die roll request Request: 6-sided die x 2

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Message from Axis:
attack on Kazan. 15L vs 8L. 1L shift for OOS unit. att/def
102 7/24/2020 7:49:00 PM Fall 1941 Allied Message i think you may need to redo move...

under supply sources (13.2), axis untis can't enter Chelyabinsk or Sverdlovsk

also pzr (since was OOS) has movement allowance max of 2


101 7/24/2020 3:49:00 AM Fall 1941 Axis Message log up.l it looks like I got a firm hold of your supply sources now
100 7/24/2020 3:38:00 AM Fall 1941 Axis Play Strategy card as Operations #22: 4 / German Reinforcements
Place PzAA at Tripoli. Remove 1 supplied Pz Corps in Libya/Egypt to RB.

Message from Axis:
99 7/22/2020 9:05:00 PM Fall 1941 Allied Message well that was pretty atrocious lol
98 7/22/2020 9:05:00 PM Fall 1941 Allied Die roll request Request: 6-sided die x 2

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Message from Allied:
Allies
Axis

Battle outside moscow
97 7/22/2020 9:04:00 PM Fall 1941 Allied Die roll request Request: 6-sided die x 2

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Message from Allied:
Allies
Axis

Battle Kremenchburg
96 7/22/2020 11:37:00 AM Fall 1941 Axis Message no combat cards from my side. so you can proceed with the attacks. sorry and thanks for fixing my losses. gotta think ahead a couple steps there.
95 7/21/2020 8:35:00 PM Fall 1941 Allied Message i usually find it's easier to let oppponent resolve combats in case they hvae a card to play so ill let you decide if you have card and await results...your pzr is OOS (though interestingly they can still move for 2 spaces and fight, albeit with some restrictions a bit)...guess this game does not come with an auto OOS similar to POG where you cant activate anyone
94 7/21/2020 8:33:00 PM Fall 1941 Allied Play Strategy card as Combat #17: 2 / Zhukov
"+1DRM" for Su Offensive or Def fire.

Message from Allied:
for kremenchug battle
93 7/21/2020 8:30:00 PM Fall 1941 Allied Play Strategy card as Operations #7: 5 / Industrial Evacuation
May not be played if Moscow has ever been occupied by an Axis unit.

Message from Allied:
92 7/21/2020 3:43:00 PM Fall 1941 Axis Die roll request Request: 6-sided die x 2

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Message from Axis:
attack on Kirovgrad. 13L vs 8L. att/def
91 7/21/2020 3:36:00 PM Fall 1941 Axis Play Strategy card as Operations #2: 4 / Von Paulus Pause
Axis places 4 Combat markers in any axis ocupied spaces (include. Multi-nationality spaces). Cancels Su Trench No Retreat option this round. Axis must take 2x 1 OPS rounds on Turn 2. Cancels Winter 42 effects. PREREQ: Play on Turn 1 only. May not play if Barbarossa has been played.

Message from Axis:
90 7/20/2020 6:49:00 PM Fall 1941 Allied Play Strategy card as Event #2: 4 / Soviet Reinforcements
Place Don, Stalingrad, Steppe, & Voronezh Fronts. Place 4x Armies ==> RB

Message from Allied:
89 7/20/2020 6:48:00 PM Fall 1941 Allied Draw Strategy cards Drew 6 to replenish hand to 7 cards.
88 7/20/2020 2:46:00 PM Fall 1941 Axis Message stand fast markers placed
87 7/20/2020 2:04:00 PM Fall 1941 Allied Message guess you get o pick some more places before i go
86 7/20/2020 2:03:00 PM Fall 1941 Allied Die roll request Request: 6-sided die x 1

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Message from Allied:
Allies orders
85 7/20/2020 11:50:00 AM Fall 1941 Axis Message my first phase up for turn 3. not so sure I can take out mother Russia. my hand size only 5 this turn and I have done no replacement or redeployments yet. we will see...
84 7/20/2020 11:37:00 AM Fall 1941 Axis Die roll request Request: 6-sided die x 2

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Message from Axis:
attack on Yaroslavl. 15L vs 3L. att/def
83 7/20/2020 11:34:00 AM Fall 1941 Axis Play Strategy card as Operations #12: 3 / Nordlicht
Axis units may attack Leningrad. Axis unit may only attack Leningrad this round. PREREQ: May not be played during Spring Thaw.

Message from Axis:
82 7/20/2020 10:01:00 AM Fall 1941 Axis Draw Strategy cards Drew 4 to replenish hand to 5 cards.
81 7/20/2020 10:01:00 AM Summer 1941 Axis End Turn
80 7/19/2020 8:46:00 PM Summer 1941 Allied Message Itís also weird Leningrad is not a port. I was under impression it was in reality too but may need to brush up on my history hahah
79 7/19/2020 8:04:00 PM Summer 1941 Allied Message actually, in reading the rules a bit more, it seems that OOS units r not totally eliminated as in Paths of glory, so there is chance to rebuild them. lets just keep it as is because i dont want this house rule to affect how we would play against others one day. i probably should have done an SR roudn 5 instead of round 6 to protect the leningrad corridor a bit better
78 7/19/2020 4:38:00 PM Summer 1941 Axis Message hey, I just had an idea. the OOS effects rule does seem really extreme to me compared with other games. how about we take a step loss instead of eliminating OOS units? cause I really dont like having to redo turns but dont want to have the game unenjoyable for you to continue either.
77 7/19/2020 4:30:00 PM Summer 1941 Axis Message no problem. interesting points. thats the one disadvantage of pbem (although there are mostly advantages). I think sometimes it takes some messages back and forth to understand what the opponent is saying as it is not live. yes, OOS effects do seem quite harsh in this game. I was also considering surrounding Moscow after you retreated during phase 3 of this turn. (that might have ended in disastor for me now that I think of it). if this is a dance of death as you say it may be a bit of a design flaw. but I think covering your supply line is a pretty basic rule of thumb that one has to do in all wargames. this game should even be easier than hex based as there are fewer possible connection lines. if you had covered your line to Leningrad you would have weakened your forces elsewhere. so the Russians might have suffered a reverse anyway.
76 7/19/2020 4:02:00 PM Summer 1941 Allied Message That came out lot longer on my phone than expected lol
75 7/19/2020 4:02:00 PM Summer 1941 Allied Message Iíd say we stick with this for now. Perhaps if other countries come in play soon. Maybe with some more pressure from Leningrad would distract some German forces a bit from running around Moscow.

Issue with OOs warnings in this game is that being OOS is devastating, similar to POG where your guys canít even activate. Next thing that can happen is a ďdance of deathĒ metaphor where one side dances around trying to put others OOS. There r other games like illusion of glory or I think even TUSCW where you can still activate units (albeit at a modified value). Games like this or POG an inexperienced opponent can easily miss a connection and then have an entire front of guys knocked out (for example, I assumed Leningrad had a sea port similar to Odessa so my guys at min in limited supply) and obviously wrong. Also, opponent doesnít have to listen to OOs (which obviously effects on him). Finally, I think playing with warnings at our early level allows for a more optimal play. If you play against experienced players, youíd have to assume they know how to block supply lines and whatnot. So say running guys up north now to take Leningrad is hard to say if optimal play (honestly no idea) since I made a mistake to leave it open. A good opponent would have blocked that line so chances of you moving on turn 2 there is bit hard to say if optimal or not. Would also work in reverse if you extended panders too far after advance and they got cut of. A good opponent wouldnít do that, so judging my strategy moving forward after knocking out your pzr would be hard to say if truly optimal. One way or another we learn from these warnings (so Iíll remember next game for Leningrad), itís just if we want a game to end quicker or allow for a more optimal play.
74 7/19/2020 3:44:00 PM Summer 1941 Axis Message I still dont get the OOS warning thing though. I try to give the opponent a heads up on different things, not just OOS. like my last attacks, I noted where you could do a no retreat option in case you missed it. for example you left Karkhov unguarded. should I have given you a warning?
73 7/19/2020 3:40:00 PM Summer 1941 Axis Message as I said I only played this twice. and that was about 15 years ago. so I am also familiarizing myself with the rules. or in other words I still dont know all the implications of the game mechanics. so I dont know who is favored to win or lose. how about this. we start up another game in parallel with you as the Germans this time. turns are not that involved so I could handle 2 at once. then if the Germans in both cases blow the Russians away we have an indication the game is unbalanced. or else we are doing something wrong.
72 7/19/2020 3:29:00 PM Summer 1941 Allied Message i actualyl think axis win easily in this game from what ive read..there are some optional rules in fact that it seems starting turn 2 panzers can only move 3 spaces and not advance after combat due to mud...
71 7/19/2020 3:23:00 PM Summer 1941 Allied Play Strategy card as Strategic Redeployment #25: 5 / Enigma
The Axis player must show the Allied player his hand. PREREQ: May not be played if Allies control any space in Greater Germany. May not play during Spring Thaw.

Message from Allied:
70 7/19/2020 3:19:00 PM Summer 1941 Axis Message last year I played several games of TUSCW with another player. we also played with OOS warnings. but not in the sense that you could not cut off the opponents supply, but rather when you did. as the opponent is maybe less likey to notice it.
69 7/19/2020 3:17:00 PM Summer 1941 Axis Message dont you think it is a bit early to quit as the Allies now? the Germans are really not expected to win. its more about when the Germans lose the war. I also dont really care who 'wins' or 'loses' and it is too early to say that now anyway.
68 7/19/2020 2:33:00 PM Summer 1941 Allied Message Sorry not auto victory but meant too deep a whole to climb out of
67 7/19/2020 2:28:00 PM Summer 1941 Allied Message lol thats fine, it's just when we started, we agreed to OOS warnings. Putting someone out of supply when they can't get back in is not a warning, it's a statement lol.

but congrats you win this one. there's nothing i can do to stop you from leningrad and taking kharkov/orvel or sevastapol if you wanted next turn to get you to auto win so we can restart then
66 7/19/2020 1:59:00 PM Summer 1941 Axis Message playing a friendly game to me means I dont try anything 'gamey' which I dont do anyway. it would also mean if I lost a battle I would try to learn from it instead of wanting to replay the turn.
65 7/19/2020 1:57:00 PM Summer 1941 Axis Message and when playing the Germans I will try everything within the rules to conquer as much as I can, because after 1942 I will be on the defensive. I treat friendly games the same as I do tournament games. although I have only ever played in 1 tournament.
64 7/19/2020 1:54:00 PM Summer 1941 Axis Message yes I am also a beginner at this game, but I have lots of experience with other games. attacking the supply lines is in priciple the same as attacking the others forces directly. so no I have never played with attack warnings, but if you play with OOS warnings as you mention, it implies the same thing.
63 7/19/2020 1:26:00 PM Summer 1941 Allied Message Yes if we were playing a tournament game, but we te playing for fun and supposedly both beginners. Otherwise by your account there is never a need to play with OOS warnings. I have not heard or ever played with warnings for attacks. Usually after an attack a warning would be given to opponent if they either punched a hole somewhere or if attacker over stretches himself.

But if you donít want to play that way thatís fine, Iíll concede since youíll be able to take Leningrad and one or two more vp cities next turn and win
62 7/19/2020 12:40:00 PM Summer 1941 Axis Message it would be absurd to play as you suggest. then I would also have to warn you of any attacks I want to make in case you want to prepare better. I have only played this game once against an opponent and once solitaire.I dont think I got beyond 1941. but it is one of the main tactics of wargames to outflank your opponent or go after their supply lines
61 7/19/2020 12:37:00 PM Summer 1941 Axis Message an OOS warning now makes perfect sense. it is a heads up that your are out of supply now so you have a chance to get back in supply. it is not my fault that the supply route to Leningrad was not guarded. it might also be that you were not fully aware of the supply rules. I also have to keep referencing the rules at the moment.
60 7/19/2020 8:24:00 AM Summer 1941 Allied Message putting me OOS and then telling me I'm OOS defeats purpose of warnings lol
59 7/19/2020 8:24:00 AM Summer 1941 Allied Message so for example, if you saw the chance to put leningrad OOS, if playing with warnings, we would notify the opponent that there is opening and give opponent chance to redo their last move (i.e. i wouldnt play the bomber card and instead move to try to close up holes). if they chose not to do so that's on them lol..
58 7/19/2020 7:47:00 AM Summer 1941 Axis Message what else to you mean by OOS warning then?
and no, I probably could have used my turn better. I should have done some redeployments
57 7/19/2020 7:25:00 AM Summer 1941 Allied Message Sorry I thought we were playing with oos warnings tho? Also you seem pretty well versed in this game, thought you hadnít played it much lol
56 7/19/2020 7:21:00 AM Summer 1941 Axis Message I dont see how you can get Leningrad in supply either. thats why I did the moves! and I waited until the last action to do it so you could not react. the Germans have a Luftwaffe supply card for such a situation but the Allies dont.
55 7/18/2020 3:30:00 PM Summer 1941 Allied Message sorry i dont see how i get leningrad in supply? you've put me OOS there...
54 7/18/2020 12:02:00 PM Summer 1941 Axis Message so you can do your last action and end turn phases
53 7/18/2020 11:48:00 AM Summer 1941 Axis Die roll request Request: 6-sided die x 2

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Message from Axis:
attack on Odessa. 15L vs 7L. 1L shift att. att/def
52 7/18/2020 11:38:00 AM Summer 1941 Axis Play Strategy card as Operations #16: 5 / Speer
Allow play of 5th Pz & 6th SS Pz A & Final Production Surge event. PREREQ: May not play after Totaler Krieg.

Message from Axis:
51 7/18/2020 8:38:00 AM Summer 1941 Allied Message no file
50 7/18/2020 8:38:00 AM Summer 1941 Allied Play Strategy card as Event #12: 3 / Bomber Command
Axis hand cap reduce by 2 for the next draw phase. PREREQ: Prior to Fall 44 maybe played as an event in Allied action rounds 1-5 only.

Message from Allied:
believe since my Action round 5 can be played
49 7/17/2020 3:51:00 PM Summer 1941 Axis Play Strategy card as Event #24: 3 / German Reinforcements
Place 1 PzC & 1 SS PzC ==> RB

Message from Axis:
48 7/16/2020 6:41:00 PM Summer 1941 Allied Play Strategy card as Replacement Points #4: 4 / Soviet Reinforcements
Place 1st-6th Tank Armies ==> RB. PREREQ: Play 4 or more turns after Industrial Evacuation

Replacement points: BR: 2, US: 2, SU: 4

Message from Allied:
47 7/16/2020 2:05:00 PM Summer 1941 Axis Message phase done. you have an option for no retreat
46 7/16/2020 1:53:00 PM Summer 1941 Axis Die roll request Request: 6-sided die x 2

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Message from Axis:
attack on Kishenev. 15L vs 3L. shift 1L att / 1R def. die att/def
45 7/16/2020 1:49:00 PM Summer 1941 Axis Play Strategy card as Operations #17: 2 / Bonzai!
Allied player removes 2x CW corps from the map, RB, or Elim unit box, in that order. PREREQ: Play after Fall 41.

Message from Axis:
44 7/15/2020 8:34:00 AM Summer 1941 Allied Play Strategy card as Operations #3: 2 / Stavka
Cancels any Soviet Orders for this turn

Message from Allied:
43 7/14/2020 4:11:00 PM Summer 1941 Axis Message 3 move actions and bty
42 7/14/2020 4:07:00 PM Summer 1941 Axis Play Strategy card as Operations #19: 3 / Luftwaffe Supply
Place Luftwaffe supply marker on any OOS axis units in 1 space. Units in that space are in limited supply this turn for defensive & attrition only.

Message from Axis:
41 7/13/2020 7:18:00 PM Summer 1941 Allied Message bty..hopefully nordlicht is later after blitzkrieg phase haha
40 7/13/2020 7:12:00 PM Summer 1941 Allied Play Strategy card as Event #24: 3 / Soviet Reinforcements
Place Brynsk, Kalinin, & Volkhov Fronts. Place 3x Armies ==> RB.

Message from Allied:
39 7/13/2020 6:47:00 AM Summer 1941 Axis Message log up. back to you
38 7/13/2020 6:42:00 AM Summer 1941 Axis Die roll request Request: 6-sided die x 2

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Message from Axis:
one attack this turn. on Kolomja. L3 vs s2. with 1L shift. att/def
37 7/13/2020 6:41:00 AM Summer 1941 Axis Message well you kind of have to play the cards you get. anyway, you can only attack Moscow or Leningrad if I have the right card
36 7/13/2020 6:39:00 AM Summer 1941 Axis Play Strategy card as Operations #14: 5 / Fall Blau
Axis places 5 Combat markers in any axis ocupied spaces (include. Multi-nationality spaces). +1DRM for all attack vs. Su this round. Allows Axis attack Stalingrad, Maikop, Armavir. PREREQ: May play after Hitler Takes Command.

Message from Axis:
turn 2. action 2
35 7/11/2020 7:35:00 PM Summer 1941 Allied Message sheesh...didnt remember the germans pushing on russians so aggressively this game..dont think much i can do lol
34 7/11/2020 7:30:00 PM Summer 1941 Allied Play Strategy card as Operations #19: 3 / Partisans
Allow placement of Partisan markers in the Su, Greece, Albania, & Yugoslavia. May immediately play 1 Partisan marker.

Message from Allied:
33 7/11/2020 11:45:00 AM Summer 1941 Axis Message you are up for your 1st action turn 2
32 7/11/2020 11:38:00 AM Summer 1941 Axis Die roll request Request: 6-sided die x 2

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Message from Axis:
now extra attack on Smolensk with 2 PzA. 5L vs 2s with 1L shift. att/def
31 7/11/2020 11:37:00 AM Summer 1941 Axis Message I meant 4th attack on Vitebsk
30 7/11/2020 11:36:00 AM Summer 1941 Axis Die roll request Request: 6-sided die x 2

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Message from Axis:
3rd attack on Vitebsk. 10L vs 2s. att/def
29 7/11/2020 11:32:00 AM Summer 1941 Axis Die roll request Request: 6-sided die x 2

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Message from Axis:
3rd attack on Pskov. 5L vs 2s. att/def
28 7/11/2020 11:29:00 AM Summer 1941 Axis Die roll request Request: 6-sided die x 2

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Message from Axis:
2nd attack on Tarnopol/Rovno. 5L vs 2s. att/def
27 7/11/2020 11:27:00 AM Summer 1941 Axis Die roll request Request: 6-sided die x 2

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Message from Axis:
first attack on Pinsk. 5L vs 2s. marsh 1L. att, def

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