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290 9/16/2021 3:45:00 PM Turn 2 Jeremy R Message "Actually, you are probably asleep so let me do a new file before I go to sleep. Or working. ;)"

- It's sometimes difficult to tell. Managers are people who talk in other people's sleep, after all.

I go walking every day. Don't have a choice. My dog follows me around staring at me until I do. In the Highlands, though, don't have to go far to find a nice route.

Think it's a good thing if FoW makes it more difficult for the Union. Historically, the South wouldn't have lasted nearly so long without it.

Suspect the Far West would work a lot better if the game used a different scale. With so few people involved, a scale of 1 SP to 5000 men means very few SPs; that makes the leaders expensive to use; and leaders are at the core of the game. (Someone once told me that ELS included the FW only because an ancestor fought there. Given the victory conditions for Pea Ridge, I can believe it.)

All yours.
289 9/16/2021 3:03:00 PM Turn 2 Jeremy R Die roll request Request: 6-sided die x 4

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Message from Jeremy R:
Turn 2, impulse 3 initiative:

USA uses first and second D6
CSA uses third and fourth D6
288 9/16/2021 5:06:00 AM Turn 2 Shannon M Message Fog of war could work. When I played in person we screened all the pieces but realized even if fun it made it really hard for the Union to win.

I worked on some rules that turned the Far West into a minigame. We put in commanders and other counters. At the end we realized it had to have it's own separate CP table or it would almost never get used.
287 9/16/2021 5:02:00 AM Turn 2 Shannon M Message I took a day off from work. Stayed local and hiked and table top gamed online. Did a bit of job searching investigation.
286 9/16/2021 4:58:00 AM Turn 2 Shannon M Message new file uploaded so bty
285 9/16/2021 4:30:00 AM Turn 2 Shannon M Message Or working. ;)
284 9/16/2021 4:30:00 AM Turn 2 Shannon M Message Actually, you are probably asleep so let me do a new file before I go to sleep.
283 9/16/2021 4:29:00 AM Turn 2 Shannon M Message Sorry about that. Yeah, go ahead and put the SP back as I only used a CP to move JeJ to take control of AONV.
282 9/15/2021 6:53:00 PM Turn 2 Jeremy R Message Hi Shannon,

Was just checking my email when you message came in. Ihave no problem with the VP changes you made, but I'm confused by your moves: it looks like J Johnston and 1 SP have moved to join the AoNV, but only 1 CP has been used. Also, the number of SPs in the AoNV has not changed. Did I miss something?
281 9/15/2021 6:11:00 PM Turn 2 Shannon M Message Hey hey! Got a file up to you during a work break. Will reply later to the messages. :)
280 9/15/2021 6:04:00 PM Turn 2 Shannon M Die roll request Request: 6-sided die x 4

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Message from Shannon M:
pulse
279 9/9/2021 5:02:00 PM Turn 2 Jeremy R Message Welcome back. Go anywhere nice?

Have been thinking about a new optional rule:

Keep priorities secret until the end of the turn.
Players still know and assign their own CPs as before, but, because they only know their opponent's Naval and Discretionary CPs until the turn end, it injects some fog of war.

I don't mean for this game, but I would be interested in your opinion. I think it could be interesting, especially if their are multiple CP rolls in a turn.

Anyway, that impulse was a no brainer. All yours.
278 9/9/2021 4:22:00 PM Turn 2 Jeremy R Die roll request Request: 6-sided die x 4

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Message from Jeremy R:
Turn 2, impulse 1 initiative:

USA uses first and second D6
CSA uses third and fourth D6
277 9/9/2021 4:22:00 PM Turn 2 Jeremy R Die roll request Request: 6-sided die x 2

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Message from Jeremy R:
Turn 2, Union initial CPs
276 9/9/2021 4:12:00 PM Turn 2 Shannon M Message bty
275 9/9/2021 3:51:00 PM Turn 2 Shannon M Die roll request Request: 6-sided die x 2

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Message from Shannon M:
CSA CPs
274 9/9/2021 3:37:00 PM Turn 2 Shannon M Message Thanks for the link. I'll check it out after work.

Just returned from an extended Labor Day weekend holiday.
273 9/5/2021 6:58:00 AM Turn 2 Jeremy R Message Yes, you have one discretionary SP left from turn 1. Just place it somewhere during the set up for turn 2.
And, yes, just fix the VPs - there are so many tracks to check at the end of a turn, it's easy to miss something.

Found an interesting lecture on the Wilderness and Spotsylvania:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mr7CCG8488M

It's part of a seried, but haven't watched any of the others, yet.


272 9/5/2021 12:30:00 AM Turn 2 Shannon M Message I had 1 disc sp that got lost, right? That should have been used on my end before the end of T1. If you agree I can add it in my reply vlog.

VPs for me are a bit off but I can adjust that, too. Let me know.
271 8/29/2021 1:44:00 PM Turn 2 Jeremy R Message I've updated all the tables for turn 2 (including moving Sherman to enter on turn 4), so when you've placed your remaining Disc SP from turn 1, we should be ready to go.
270 8/29/2021 12:57:00 PM Turn 2 Jeremy R Die roll request Request: 2-sided die x 1

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Message from Jeremy R:
Leader in 5004:

1 = Buell
2 = Rosecrans
269 8/29/2021 12:53:00 PM Turn 2 Jeremy R Die roll request Request: 3-sided die x 1

1


Message from Jeremy R:
Leader in 2104:

1 = Halleck
2 = Buell
3 = Rosecrans
268 8/29/2021 12:42:00 PM Turn 2 Jeremy R Die roll request Request: 6-sided die x 4

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Message from Jeremy R:
Since the CSA has only 1 Disc SP left, and its placement won't affect what I do, I'll roll for initiative on next pulse to save time.

Turn 1, impulse 11 initiative:

USA uses first and second D6
CSA uses third and fourth D6
267 8/29/2021 12:18:00 PM Turn 2 Jeremy R Die roll request Request: 6-sided die x 4

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Message from Jeremy R:
Turn 1, impulse 10 initiative:

USA uses first and second D6
CSA uses third and fourth D6
266 8/29/2021 12:10:00 PM Turn 2 Jeremy R Die roll request Request: 6-sided die x 2

5
5


Message from Jeremy R:
Burnside + 5 SP attacks 1 SP (DM) in 1210. The attack must destroy the defender with no effect on attacker, so this is casualty roll for Burnside.
265 8/28/2021 7:49:00 PM Turn 2 Shannon M Message bty
264 8/28/2021 7:46:00 PM Turn 2 Shannon M Die roll request Request: 6-sided die x 4

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Message from Shannon M:
pulse
263 8/28/2021 7:46:00 PM Turn 2 Shannon M Die roll request Request: 6-sided die x 1

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Message from Shannon M:
2/2 - comm into AONV; alpha d6
262 8/28/2021 6:20:00 AM Turn 2 Jeremy R Message All yours.
261 8/28/2021 6:17:00 AM Turn 2 Jeremy R Die roll request Request: 4-sided die x 1

3


Message from Jeremy R:
Leader in 1908:

1 = Halleck
2 = Buell
3 = Pope
4 = Rosecrans
260 8/28/2021 3:59:00 AM Turn 2 Shannon M Message bty
259 8/28/2021 3:47:00 AM Turn 2 Shannon M Die roll request Request: 6-sided die x 4

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Message from Shannon M:
pulse
258 8/20/2021 5:38:00 PM Turn 2 Jeremy R Message All yours

257 8/20/2021 5:32:00 PM Turn 2 Jeremy R Die roll request Request: 5-sided die x 1

5


Message from Jeremy R:
Leader in 1908:

1 = Halleck
2 = Buell
3 = Pope
4 = Rosecrans
5 = Foote
256 8/20/2021 5:08:00 PM Turn 2 Shannon M Message bty
255 8/20/2021 5:07:00 PM Turn 2 Shannon M Die roll request Request: 6-sided die x 4

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Message from Shannon M:
pulse
254 8/20/2021 5:02:00 PM Turn 2 Shannon M Message Ah, file was borked. I had to load it up again but it's making sense now. Thought I had a 3+ DD
253 8/20/2021 4:52:00 PM Turn 2 Jeremy R Message I'm not sure which log file you are referring to. If it is J v S Turn 1 006, this is what happens:

The CSA has just taken its +3 CSA (your roll for impulse 5 - timestamped: 8/17/2021 4:32:00 AM),

I take my half of the impulse,

I roll for impulse 6 initiative (+2 USA - timestamped: 8/17/2021 3:00:00 PM) and take my half of the impulse

It is now your turn to complete impulse 6.
252 8/20/2021 4:35:00 PM Turn 2 Shannon M Message Confused about initiative. The vlog shows a 3DD favoring the CSA. I think this is incorrect?
251 8/20/2021 3:59:00 PM Turn 2 Shannon M Die roll request Request: 2-sided die x 1

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Message from Shannon M:
alpha - 1/3 - comm in Fayetville

250 8/17/2021 3:22:00 PM Turn 2 Jeremy R Message In answer to your question on McCulloch and Price:

Although he was the ranking general, I get the feeling Price was considered a bit of a joke. He had no formal military education and despised those who had. Jeff Davies said he was the vainest man he ever met.

At Wilson's Creek, Price didn't hold a commission in the Confederate army; he was only a general of the Missouri militia. Price's men (mostly Missouri State Guard) had no uniforms, little ammunition, and poor weapons; some were still unarmed even after McCulloch's force "lent" them 600 muskets. McCulloch's Arkansans at least had some training and reasonable weapons.

All yours.
249 8/17/2021 3:06:00 PM Turn 2 Jeremy R Die roll request Request: 6-sided die x 1

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Message from Jeremy R:
Leader in 5205:

1 = Halleck
2 = Banks
3 = Buell
4 = Pope
5 = Rosecrans
6 = Foote
248 8/17/2021 3:00:00 PM Turn 2 Jeremy R Die roll request Request: 6-sided die x 4

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Message from Jeremy R:
Turn 1, impulse 6 initiative:

USA uses first and second D6
CSA uses third and fourth D6
247 8/17/2021 4:38:00 AM Turn 2 Shannon M Message bty
246 8/17/2021 4:35:00 AM Turn 2 Shannon M Die roll request Request: 3-sided die x 1

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Message from Shannon M:
2/3 - alpha - comm into aonv
245 8/17/2021 4:34:00 AM Turn 2 Shannon M Die roll request Request: 4-sided die x 1

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Message from Shannon M:
1/3 - alpha - comm into aonv
244 8/17/2021 4:32:00 AM Turn 2 Shannon M Die roll request Request: 6-sided die x 4

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Message from Shannon M:
pulse
243 8/14/2021 7:51:00 PM Turn 2 Jeremy R Message All yours (am up late watching some bad movie).
242 8/14/2021 7:33:00 PM Turn 2 Jeremy R Die roll request Request: 6-sided die x 4

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Message from Jeremy R:
Turn 1, impulse 4 initiative:

USA uses first and second D6
CSA uses third and fourth D6
241 8/14/2021 6:15:00 PM Turn 2 Shannon M Message bty
240 8/14/2021 6:13:00 PM Turn 2 Shannon M Die roll request Request: 5-sided die x 1

4


Message from Shannon M:
2/2 - comm into AONV - alpha; 5 sided die
239 8/14/2021 6:12:00 PM Turn 2 Shannon M Die roll request Request: 6-sided die x 1

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Message from Shannon M:
comm into AONV - alpha
238 8/14/2021 5:59:00 PM Turn 2 Shannon M Die roll request Request: 6-sided die x 4

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Message from Shannon M:
pulse - usual way - Union first, then CSA
237 8/13/2021 5:00:00 PM Turn 2 Jeremy R Message Could have been better, could have been worse.

All yours
236 8/13/2021 4:56:00 PM Turn 2 Jeremy R Die roll request Request: 7-sided die x 1

5


Message from Jeremy R:
Leader in 3704:

1 = Halleck
2 = Banks
3 = Buell
4 = Pope
5 = Burnside
6 = Rosecrans
7 = Foote
235 8/13/2021 4:51:00 PM Turn 2 Jeremy R Die roll request Request: 8-sided die x 1

7


Message from Jeremy R:
Leader in 3004:

1 = Halleck
2 = Banks
3 = Buell
4 = Pope
5 = Burnside
6 = Rosecrans
7 = Curtis
8 = Foote
234 8/13/2021 4:45:00 PM Turn 2 Jeremy R Die roll request Request: 6-sided die x 4

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Message from Jeremy R:
Turn 1, impulse 2 initiative:

USA uses first and second D6
CSA uses third and fourth D6
233 8/13/2021 4:19:00 PM Turn 2 Jeremy R Die roll request Request: 6-sided die x 4

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Message from Jeremy R:
Leader casualty rolls:

Price uses first and second D6
Lyon uses third and fourth D6
232 8/13/2021 4:17:00 PM Turn 2 Jeremy R Die roll request Request: 6-sided die x 2

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Message from Jeremy R:
Lyon decides to fight it out:

Price + 2 SP vs Lyon + 1 SP at 2:1

Attacker (USA) uses first D6
Defender (CSA) uses second D6
231 8/13/2021 5:28:00 AM Turn 2 Shannon M Message no worries - to you
230 8/10/2021 3:36:00 PM Turn 2 Jeremy R Message Sorry about the mistake with the initial CPs - not firing on all cylinders today. All yours.
229 8/10/2021 3:13:00 PM Turn 2 Jeremy R Die roll request Request: 6-sided die x 2

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Message from Jeremy R:
Sorry, I wasn't concentrating. Let me do that again with two dice this time. Union initial CPs for turn 1.
228 8/10/2021 3:11:00 PM Turn 2 Jeremy R Die roll request Request: 6-sided die x 4

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Message from Jeremy R:
Union initial CPs for GT1
227 8/10/2021 5:10:00 AM Turn 2 Shannon M Die roll request Request: 6-sided die x 2

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Message from Shannon M:
Think I jumped the gun there in my eagerness. We still need to do CPs.

Guess we can keep the roll off unless you feel it messes things up.

Anyway, my CPs. I will let you roll yours and do the file
226 8/10/2021 5:07:00 AM Turn 2 Shannon M Die roll request Request: 6-sided die x 4

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Message from Shannon M:
pulse - the usual way
225 8/9/2021 3:35:00 PM Turn 2 Jeremy R Message Well, we didn't finish the first game, and I'm aware that all the optionals I suggested favor the CSA (and don't know by how much), so let's go with me as the USA using the file I uploaded last Wednesday.

I couldn't access the link - the message said I don't have access permission.
224 8/9/2021 5:04:00 AM Turn 2 Shannon M Message These all look fine to me. You can pick your side. Thanks.
223 8/9/2021 2:20:00 AM Turn 2 Shannon M Message Apologies for the delay.

Per the image I have been in some intensive prepping for the final rounds with Reddit. Should be back to normal late Monday night.

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/GoPIo29Mpau1kQLagNDA_1brAe4LZvNBC0LSEfo2GcIwBKxkYlfpY68Yx5D5Mdd9TCTYdKTK-v78b4Du4sqn7oNqhZbpMKGf9J6VekgNmIqkOENyXgD3aP3ojaFeUI8HpMtiUG4tO_OjMbKKN1WzEFOaJyakceNj--uw7agNSJgu1MnaL0uoaAu3GCk6eS518764Xv9VF8BYIpabrPT1V648wgJbSbjRDvdlRSk21fo29pOB=w512
222 8/9/2021 2:20:00 AM Turn 2 Shannon M Message Interesting rules. Should I pick the ones I like you mean?
221 8/4/2021 10:09:00 AM Turn 2 Jeremy R Message I have no problem with continuing the current game. However, if you want to restart, I have uploaded a new T! file with the USA priorities saved.

I'd like to suggest some experimental rules. If you'd like to try them, just go ahead; if not, just ignore them and go with the ones we previously agreed.

1. Forrest is never out of supply. Forrest was the best cavalry leader of the war, and, at times, his cavalry was almost entirely outfitted with supplies "liberated" from the Union. This rule just gives him a small edge over Little Phil.

2. Jackson gets +1 MP when in command of a non-army force. A nod to the "foot cavalry" of the 1862 Valley campaign.

3. Sherman does not appear until turn 4. Although Sherman was at first Bull Run, he then went west and "had a breakdown". This rule reduces his ahistorical speed of promotion.

4. Joe Johnston reverts to his original 3-1-0 rating. Although, JJ has a reputation for being slow and preferring maneuver over fighting a pitched battle, he could be aggressive (e.g. Bull Run and Bentonville). He was also rated the best CSA general by Sherman, so to downgrade him to 3-0/1-0 seems unfair. (Actually, I think that still underrates him, but there is no counter for that.)
220 8/2/2021 5:20:00 AM Turn 2 Shannon M Message Thanks for waiting. I'd recommend we start over again.

I should have more consistency in my moves. I'm job hunting on the side but the storm has passed at my current job and it's not likely to repeat. It's a once a year sorta thing.

That work for you?
219 7/26/2021 4:45:00 PM Turn 2 Jeremy R Message No problem.
218 7/26/2021 2:20:00 AM Turn 2 Shannon M Message I've been working this weekend because of a breakage. I expect to catch up on my wargaming no later than Thursday night if not before. Thanks for your patience.
217 7/20/2021 1:50:00 PM Turn 2 Shannon M Message Sounds good.

I did my first product launch at work on Thursday and I'm resolving it this work week. As a result I should be able to get back to my regular groove of moving later in the week.
216 7/11/2021 6:14:00 PM Turn 2 Jeremy R Message I have more tricks yet, so let's just carry on from the update I just made. After all, it's only a game.
215 7/11/2021 6:07:00 PM Turn 2 Shannon M Message Yeah. Starting at that point is before I crossed the river thinking I could put reinfs into the army. Missed that part about the supply lines back to the CSA.

So we can continue here but being that I set you back on some strategies I am totally fine if you wish to restart the game. Same sides. Will wait for your reply.
214 7/11/2021 6:05:00 PM Turn 2 Shannon M Message Thanks for the sympathies. Our team wasn't impacted but it's good to look like your team is doing well when some people are let go. It doesn't seem to be a revenue matter so much as trimming the fat but letting people go always gets workers upset.
213 7/7/2021 6:28:00 PM Turn 2 Jeremy R Message Bummer about the layoffs. Have been there more than once: it's not much fun even when you aren't one of the people who got the push. Hope things get better soon.

No problem rolling back to the point at which you feel you would have done things differently.

If I understand correctly, you want to restart from turn 3, impulse 6, immediately after you created the AoT? So:

1. created a log file called Jeremy vs Shannon 038a; 2. spent the Union's two IPs for the impulse;
3. rolled for initiative - it was Union +7;
4. took turn 3/impulse 7 for the Union.

All yours, but, if I have misunderstood, let me know and I'll have another bash. And, if all else fails (and you are willing), we can always start again.



212 7/7/2021 5:47:00 PM Turn 2 Jeremy R Die roll request Request: 2-sided die x 1

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Message from Jeremy R:
Leader in AoP (5004)

1 = Sherman
2 = Stoneman

211 7/7/2021 5:41:00 PM Turn 2 Jeremy R Die roll request Request: 6-sided die x 1

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Message from Jeremy R:
Fort Donelson shoots at Carondolet on its way past 2612/2513
210 7/7/2021 5:23:00 PM Turn 2 Jeremy R Die roll request Request: 6-sided die x 2

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Message from Jeremy R:
Lyon + 4 SP attack 1 SP (3411) - the victory is automatic, so this is casualty roll for Lyon
209 7/7/2021 5:08:00 PM Turn 2 Jeremy R Die roll request Request: 6-sided die x 4

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Message from Jeremy R:
Initiative turn 3, impulse 7

USA uses first and second D6
CSA uses third and fourth D6
208 7/7/2021 4:57:00 AM Turn 2 Shannon M Message I made a pulse roll forgetting what you said about going back so disregard the roll.

In order to do this justice and not put the AOT in KY and not able to really place reinfs when blocked by your navy we would need to go back to file 037. That throws off a number of advantages you got like going for Knox.

If this is too far back we can start the game over.

Otherwise, I think file 037 is where to start with 2 DD to you.
207 7/7/2021 4:54:00 AM Turn 2 Shannon M Message I'm back. There were some layoffs at my company and people were on the wire. I was working overtime and was too drained to do complex wargaming moves during that time. Sorry for the delay.
206 7/7/2021 4:42:00 AM Turn 2 Shannon M Die roll request Request: 6-sided die x 4

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Message from Shannon M:
pulse
205 6/24/2021 5:04:00 AM Turn 2 Shannon M Message Apologies for the delay. Another emergency at work. I'll reply when I can come up for air. :(
204 6/21/2021 6:35:00 AM Turn 2 Jeremy R Message Yep, still happy to go back to the poibt before you rolled the doubles.


203 6/21/2021 5:55:00 AM Turn 2 Shannon M Message And since it has been a while making sure this conversation still applies or you changed your mind or I misinterpreted.

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5/30/2021 3:02:00 PM Turn 2 Shannon M Message Thanks for the generous offer, Jeremy. Let me think about this to be sure I'm not taking advantage of your kindness nor that staying in Bowling Green is going to end the game. ;)
5/29/2021 5:53:00 AM Turn 2 Jeremy R Message Yes, I did mean go back to the point before you rolled the doubles if you want. I prefer to win by fair means rather than foul. :)
5/29/2021 3:28:00 AM Turn 2 Shannon M Message I'm unclear. Are you stating it's okay for me to reroll the pulse and probably avoid a tie?
202 6/21/2021 5:54:00 AM Turn 2 Shannon M Message It finally calmed down at work so coming up for air.
201 6/11/2021 4:45:00 PM Turn 2 Jeremy R Message No worries.
200 6/11/2021 4:37:00 AM Turn 2 Shannon M Message Sorry for the tardiness in replying. My company had some breakages which led to overtime. I will try to reply this weekend.
199 5/30/2021 3:02:00 PM Turn 2 Shannon M Message Thanks for the generous offer, Jeremy. Let me think about this to be sure I'm not taking advantage of your kindness nor that staying in Bowling Green is going to end the game. ;)
198 5/29/2021 5:53:00 AM Turn 2 Jeremy R Message Yes, I did mean go back to the point before you rolled the doubles if you want. I prefer to win by fair means rather than foul. :)
197 5/29/2021 3:28:00 AM Turn 2 Shannon M Message I'm unclear. Are you stating it's okay for me to reroll the pulse and probably avoid a tie?
196 5/26/2021 5:22:00 PM Turn 2 Jeremy R Message It's usually the USA that has problems maintaining a supply line back to friendly territory. :) I have gone from the changes you suggested, but, yes, I did mean I was OK with your rolling back to the start of the impulse if you had missed that rule - whichever you prefer.

Surprised that GMT wouldn't give permission to a site hosting their games. Their stipulation for online play - that one player has to own the game - always seemed reasonable. My guess is that Yucata (and similar sites) tend to go with games that they think will be most popular. Unfortunately, they're not usually the sorts of games I like to play. :(

All yours.
195 5/26/2021 3:16:00 AM Turn 2 Shannon M Message Yucata is more board games than wargames though two wargames are A Few Acres of Snow and Sekigahara. They can only put up games when they get permission from the owners. It has a following as its free but it's not as popular as BoardGameGeek.
194 5/26/2021 3:15:00 AM Turn 2 Shannon M Message Ah, good catch. I didn't do that right. Let's put the reinf into Nash and drop my army by one. We'll see how this all plays out.
193 5/26/2021 3:11:00 AM Turn 2 Shannon M Message Are you saying I should reroll the pulse so that we don't tie? I'm fine with that. ;)

192 5/25/2021 3:46:00 PM Turn 2 Jeremy R Message Yep, can see it now. However, bit of a problem with the last CSA impulse: because the AoT had no supply line back to friendly territory, it could not receive reinforcements - see 10.2.4 and 10.2.7 (second sentence). Am happy for you to redo impulse if you think it makes a difference.
191 5/25/2021 3:21:00 PM Turn 2 Shannon M Message Try it now.

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