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811 6/12/2022 4:01:00 AM Turn 8 Jeremy R Message Since your decision on what happens in 5305 has no effect on the Union impulse, please go ahead and retreat or resolve combat and then roll for initiative.

All yours.
810 6/12/2022 3:45:00 AM Turn 8 Jeremy R Die roll request Request: 6-sided die x 1

5


Message from Jeremy R:
1 SP (5503) > 5403 > 5304 > 5204 > 5305

Early's reaction roll
809 6/12/2022 3:39:00 AM Turn 8 Jeremy R Die roll request Request: 6-sided die x 2

5
3


Message from Jeremy R:
Don't often have a reason to attack with 1 SP, but there's always a time to cut cards with the Devil:

1 SP vs 1 SP (5306) at 1-1

USA (attacker) uses first D6
CSA (defender uses second D6
808 6/11/2022 10:47:00 PM Turn 8 Shannon M Message bty
807 6/6/2022 3:14:00 PM Turn 8 Jeremy R Message The turn of big differences - CSA gets the nod this time.

I do look on the CSW forum, but it's difficult to find stuff and not much changes, so it's not very often.

All yours.
806 6/6/2022 3:05:00 PM Turn 8 Jeremy R Die roll request Request: 6-sided die x 4

4
1
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Message from Jeremy R:
Impulse 6 initiative:

USA uses first and second D6
CSA uses third and fourth D6
805 6/6/2022 12:36:00 AM Turn 8 Shannon M Message They're the Consim crowd. - http://talk.consimworld.com/WebX?8@@.ee6ce3e
804 6/5/2022 7:27:00 PM Turn 8 Jeremy R Message Don't know Pete Walsh. Do know I don't like Mark Simonitch's habit of putting out multiple versions of rules.
803 6/5/2022 7:24:00 PM Turn 8 Shannon M Message Night.
802 6/5/2022 7:24:00 PM Turn 8 Shannon M Message bty
801 6/5/2022 7:21:00 PM Turn 8 Jeremy R Message When people ask me how I am, also like to say "Happy as ever".

As you may have guessed, I like Steven Wright.

Anyways, have to get up in the morning, so time to climb the wooden hill...
800 6/5/2022 7:20:00 PM Turn 8 Shannon M Message Thanks. Yeah, I'm playing him again as the csa as he feels I am a better Union player. We've played against each other about 3 times.

I also played Pete Walsh who may have been the best player on consim. Lost to him all the time and then beat him in our last game before he went over to the us civil war.
799 6/5/2022 7:19:00 PM Turn 8 Shannon M Message bty
798 6/5/2022 7:18:00 PM Turn 8 Jeremy R Message Kudos for beating Dave T. Isn't he supposed to be pretty good?
797 6/5/2022 7:16:00 PM Turn 8 Shannon M Die roll request Request: 6-sided die x 4

1
2
1
4


Message from Shannon M:
pulse
796 6/5/2022 7:16:00 PM Turn 8 Jeremy R Message Probably got much the same reaction to be boring as to your modelling claim.


795 6/5/2022 7:16:00 PM Turn 8 Shannon M Message It sounds like a house rule for the module. Let me look it over.
794 6/5/2022 7:11:00 PM Turn 8 Jeremy R Message The -1 casualty rule is immediately below the table on Tables > Leaders > Leader Promotion & Casualty > Historical Variant Leaders > Variant LP&C. It's also on the 190330 Standard Game Varaint (sic) page.

Can't find it in the third-edition rules, though.
793 6/5/2022 6:59:00 PM Turn 8 Shannon M Message Remind me about the -1 casualty rule. Is that in the module or the PDF? Seems like the creator has his own house rules.
792 6/5/2022 6:56:00 PM Turn 8 Shannon M Message Kind of when I am first dating women and they ask me what I do. I like to say I'm an ass model sometimes to get a laugh lol
791 6/5/2022 6:55:00 PM Turn 8 Shannon M Message What do people say about you being the 134th? lol
790 6/5/2022 6:55:00 PM Turn 8 Shannon M Message Did you agree to do the dropbox survey?
789 6/5/2022 6:54:00 PM Turn 8 Shannon M Message Dave T. was my first opponent online for this game. He thought I was a noob and was surprised when I beat him as
a new player. He thinks I am one of the best players in the circuit which is tiny. I used to be better when I had more time in between jobs lol
788 6/5/2022 6:52:00 PM Turn 8 Jeremy R Message Used to describe myself as the 134th most boring man in the country (the most boring man in the country sounds too interesting).

Question for you: should we be using the -1 casualty roll modifier if a force is eliminated? Don't think it has come up until this turn, but it would have affected McDowell and Jackson.

Anyway, still being boring...


787 6/5/2022 6:17:00 PM Turn 8 Shannon M Message bty
786 6/5/2022 6:14:00 PM Turn 8 Shannon M Message you bored me with your last pulse so I asked the dice gods to give us a tie. ;)
785 6/5/2022 5:58:00 PM Turn 8 Shannon M Die roll request Request: 6-sided die x 4

5
3
3
3


Message from Shannon M:
pulse
784 6/5/2022 5:58:00 PM Turn 8 Shannon M Message a tie

rolling again to be sure we don't tie out
783 6/5/2022 5:57:00 PM Turn 8 Shannon M Die roll request Request: 6-sided die x 4

3
4
4
3


Message from Shannon M:
pulse
782 6/5/2022 7:17:00 AM Turn 8 Jeremy R Message Pity about McDowell - he'll be back. Grant was hoping you'd kill off McClernand, but can't have everything.

Yep, saw Dave T's reply. Have you ever played him at TCW? I know he still shows up on VASSAL's list of live players fairly regularly as well as the BGG forums.
781 6/5/2022 6:57:00 AM Turn 8 Jeremy R Message Worn out after that burst of activity, the Union leadership contents itself with enrolling reinforcements.

All yours
780 6/5/2022 6:39:00 AM Turn 8 Jeremy R Die roll request Request: 2-sided die x 1

1


Message from Jeremy R:
Leader in AoC (2812)

1 = Howard
2 = Pleasnton
779 6/5/2022 6:38:00 AM Turn 8 Jeremy R Die roll request Request: 3-sided die x 1

1


Message from Jeremy R:
Leader in AoC (2812)

1 = Grierson
2 = Howard
3 = Pleasnton
778 6/4/2022 4:32:00 AM Turn 8 Shannon M Message bty - 2 files for this pulse.
777 6/4/2022 4:24:00 AM Turn 8 Shannon M Die roll request Request: 6-sided die x 4

6
2
4
2


Message from Shannon M:
pulse
776 6/4/2022 1:42:00 AM Turn 8 Shannon M Die roll request Request: 6-sided die x 2

4
2


Message from Shannon M:
mcdowell check
775 6/4/2022 1:42:00 AM Turn 8 Shannon M Die roll request Request: 6-sided die x 1

2


Message from Shannon M:
mcdowell reaction - hoping you fail
774 6/4/2022 1:14:00 AM Turn 8 Shannon M Message not too shabby on your promotions indeed.
773 6/4/2022 12:50:00 AM Turn 8 Shannon M Message Great conversation. - https://boardgamegeek.com/thread/407949/dare-compare-three-strategic-games-american-civil/page/2
772 6/4/2022 12:39:00 AM Turn 8 Shannon M Message So Dave T. thinks you're doing it right.
771 6/4/2022 12:34:00 AM Turn 8 Shannon M Message I saw the Dropbox but didn't reply yet. I think it was a gift card for doing it?
770 6/4/2022 12:33:00 AM Turn 8 Shannon M Message I suspect it's true. - https://boardgamegeek.com/thread/2876263/when-do-port-points-far-west-cities-count-towards
769 6/2/2022 6:51:00 AM Turn 8 Jeremy R Message It seems that ACTS did not forward my last message, so sending this as a test.
768 6/2/2022 4:22:00 AM Turn 8 Jeremy R Message Looks like the consensus is 9.4.9 is misleading:

https://boardgamegeek.com/thread/2876263/when-do-port-points-far-west-cities-count-towards


767 6/2/2022 4:22:00 AM Turn 8 Jeremy R Message Looks like the consensus is 9.4.9 is misleading:

https://boardgamegeek.com/thread/2876263/when-do-port-points-far-west-cities-count-towards


766 6/1/2022 3:33:00 PM Turn 8 Jeremy R Message By the way, did you receive an invitation to participate in a paid Dropbox research study? Just wondering if it's genuine.
765 6/1/2022 3:29:00 PM Turn 8 Jeremy R Message That was quite an impulse.

All yours.
764 6/1/2022 3:11:00 PM Turn 8 Jeremy R Die roll request Request: 7-sided die x 1

1


Message from Jeremy R:
Rolling for Nelson's replacement

1 = McCook
2 = Couch
3 = Franklin
4 = Sumner
5 = FJ Porter
6 = Granger
7 = Sickles
763 6/1/2022 2:59:00 PM Turn 8 Jeremy R Die roll request Request: 6-sided die x 24

5
1
6
1
6
5
5
4
2
6
6
3
5
6
4
2
4
6
2
2
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Message from Jeremy R:
Casualty rolls:

Grant uses first and second D6
McClernd uses third and fourth D6
Hooker uses fifth and sixth D6
Logan uses seventh and eighth D6
Crittndn uses ninth and tenth D6
Sherman uses eleventh and twelfth D6
Sedgwick uses thirteenth and fourteenth D6
McPherson uses fifteenth and sixteenth D6
Reynolds uses seventeenth and eighteenth D6
Nelson uses nineteenth and twentieth D6
Sheridan uses twenty-first and twenty-second D6

Jackson uses twenty-third and twenty-fourth D6
762 6/1/2022 2:49:00 PM Turn 8 Jeremy R Message The USA can't do better and the CSA has no re-rolls, so will leave it at that.
761 6/1/2022 2:48:00 PM Turn 8 Jeremy R Die roll request Request: 6-sided die x 2

6
1


Message from Jeremy R:
AoP (23 SPs) vs Jackson, 3 SPs (5209) at 6-1

USA (attacker) uses first D6
CSA (defender) uses second D6
760 6/1/2022 2:38:00 PM Turn 8 Jeremy R Message And, now the bombshell: have just realized Jackson couldn't react away from 5209 to 5210 because it would mean crossing a navigable river that's blocked by the Union boats at 5310/5311. So, to keep the game moving, I'm going to resolve the combat in 5209 - let me know if you object.


759 6/1/2022 2:29:00 PM Turn 8 Jeremy R Message Posted a question about the off-map ports on BGG at lunchtime. One guy has replied already, though am not sure I understand it.
758 6/1/2022 2:28:00 PM Turn 8 Jeremy R Message This is the best review I've read on The Civil War:

https://boardgamegeek.com/thread/407949/dare-compare-three-strategic-games-american-civil/page/1

And ELS and Mark Herman get involved in the discussion!

Interestingly, the guy who wrote the review also rates MMP's Lincoln's War, which I've been thinking about getting. However, am not yet convinced. Do you know anything about it?
757 5/31/2022 8:47:00 PM Turn 8 Shannon M Message Far West is fun but it rarely gets used and the VPs for raids arguably give one side an edge. I almost feel it should be a mini-game with its own track.

As the TM rarely gets used after Missouri converts I don't see any reason to add a fourth theatre.

A French-Mexican alliance was of concern to the Union, especially as the FM alliance was likely to favor the CSA.
756 5/31/2022 8:36:00 PM Turn 8 Shannon M Message The import matter favors me but I'd be curious to hear what the BGG Community says. So if you have time let's find out.
755 5/31/2022 8:32:00 PM Turn 8 Shannon M Message Heh. The guy made some good points. I do wish there were more political upheavals that slowed down what you wanted to reflect what it was like for the Union and CSA.

In other news, Calandale video reviews the game here. - https://boardgamegeek.com/video/27925/civil-war-1861-1865/cw-review
754 5/31/2022 2:53:00 PM Turn 8 Jeremy R Message But, talking of reading things. Do you remember our discussion on rehabilitating the FW option and the Red River Campaign? Have just read the main article in Strategy & Tactics 334 on a hypothetical war between the Union and Mexico/France and it gave the size of the French army at around 50000 (plus 6000 Belgians and Austrians), which means I got the numbers about right!

Also, have started Edwin Fishel's "The Secret War for the Union: Untold Story of Military Intelligence in the Civil War". It's wordy, but so far it's worth the effort - it has some amazing information. (Either that or it's demonstrated how little I really know.)
753 5/31/2022 2:40:00 PM Turn 8 Jeremy R Message Read the article on TCW. Didn't realize the Vietnamese fought in the ACW:

"Too often, I have happily watched the NVA army frittered away..."
752 5/31/2022 2:30:00 PM Turn 8 Jeremy R Message Re off-map cities in Texas:

Although I agree that 9.4.9 implies supply from the off-map ports is only available when the Mississippi is cut, I'm pretty sure the CSA does receive import and production supply for off-map cities in Texas because of 9.4.4:

"...On turn 1, the Imports marker is placed on the 140 space of the General Records Track. It starts there because the ports of Petersburg, Norfolk, and Pensacola are already lost due to the presence of Union controlled fortresses."

If the 9 import points of Petersburg, Norfolk, and Pensacola are lost at the start of turn 1, the only way to reach an initial CSA supply total of 140 is to include the 7 import points of the off-map ports.

In addition, 17.2.6 implies the CSA receives supply for off-map cities in all cases:

"Texas can be converted regardless of whether or not the Far West map is being used. When the Far West map is not in use, the Union converts Texas by controlling all VP cities on the standard map. In that event, the CSA gets credit for the Imports and VP cities on the Far West Map, even if Texas is converted."

However, happy to post a question on CSW/BGG if you'd like confirmation.
751 5/31/2022 2:26:00 PM Turn 8 Jeremy R Message Is Jackson continuing his itinerary?

750 5/31/2022 2:20:00 PM Turn 8 Jeremy R Die roll request Request: 6-sided die x 1

3


Message from Jeremy R:
AoP (5209) continues to 5210

Jackson reaction roll
749 5/31/2022 3:36:00 AM Turn 8 Shannon M Message worth a read - https://boardgamegeek.com/thread/2661345/reflections-civil-war-1861-1865-fortified-insults
748 5/31/2022 3:09:00 AM Turn 8 Shannon M Message Actually, let me update the file since you are asleep.
747 5/31/2022 3:09:00 AM Turn 8 Shannon M Message Missed that part. If you are coming from 5109 then I will go to 5210. You can move me there. Thanks.
746 5/31/2022 3:03:00 AM Turn 8 Shannon M Message I don't think I get the 7 port points you are including. Since we are not playing with the Far West they only apply if the Miss River is cut in half. See 9.4.9

Will take your word on CP table uses. I don't need to check it.
745 5/30/2022 7:50:00 PM Turn 8 Shannon M Message Still up? If not then I won't rush to do my move.
744 5/30/2022 6:40:00 PM Turn 8 Jeremy R Message Jackson could only retreat to 5210 because the AoP's move was 5110 > 5109 > 5209. (5309 is impassible, and 5310 is occupied.)

CSA's import total is 37 - (37/5) = 30

(So far, only New Bern - 3 import points - has been blocked by capture.)
743 5/30/2022 6:14:00 PM Turn 8 Jeremy R Message Difficult to tell what the real position is on the possible use of nukes:

The media exaggerate because they think it sells (as in the old maxim "if it bleeds, it leads").

It's also currently in the interest of many European governments to exaggerate the seriousness because it diverts public interest domestic problems.

And then there are the advantages of ramping up a conventional war for oil/gas companies and the military-industrial complex.

On the other hand, nukes are always bad for business, but, while the situation in Ukraine remains restricted, it is good for business.
742 5/30/2022 5:47:00 PM Turn 8 Jeremy R Message
Think we may both have been out on the table use count. Have been back through the logs and checked the table count for the impulse on which the turn finished. This is what I found:

Turn 1 - 1 use (see J v S Turn 1 012 - End)

Turn 2 - 2 uses (J v S Turn 2 037)

Turn 3 - 1 use (see J v S Turn 3 048)

Turn 4 - 1 use (see J v S Turn 5 066)

Turn 5 - 3 uses (see J v S Turn 5 071)

Turn 6 - 1 use (see J v S Turn 6 094b)

Turn 7 - 1 use (see J v S Turn 7 115)
741 5/30/2022 5:25:00 PM Turn 8 Shannon M Message How concerned are your people about nukes flying?
740 5/30/2022 5:25:00 PM Turn 8 Shannon M Message bty
739 5/30/2022 5:21:00 PM Turn 8 Shannon M Message oh my bad - dropbox crapped out only showing t7

I have an opponent who always deletes old files which drives me crazy when I try to check back files lol
738 5/30/2022 5:14:00 PM Turn 8 Jeremy R Message I can still see all the files in DropBox. (Wouldn't delete them without checking with you.)
737 5/30/2022 5:02:00 PM Turn 8 Shannon M Message
- My public notes show the following
- t1 - 1 use; t2 2 table uses; t3 1 table use; t4 2 table uses; t5 3 table uses; t6 1 table use; t7 one table use
- 11 table uses
* CP Table Total (CP) (Table) (Total) moves 10 -> 11 *
736 5/30/2022 5:01:00 PM Turn 8 Shannon M Message Found them.
735 5/30/2022 5:01:00 PM Turn 8 Jeremy R Message The Covid infection rate is continuing to fall over here (the last figure I heard was 1 in 50 of the population had it; don't know how many of those were vaccinated) and all legal restrictions have been lifted. The only concern now is over the Prime Minister and staff breaking lockdown laws and whether he should resign because of it.

The press being the press, however, has found something else to worry people with: this time it's monkeypox and, once more, the WHO is doing a bang-up job (facepalm):

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/monkeypox-cases-reported-could-peak-092458744.html

That, and whether the Russians are going to use nukes.

734 5/30/2022 5:00:00 PM Turn 8 Shannon M Message Was looking back at the old files in dropbox. What happened to the files before t7? I presume you deleted them? Might be easier to put them in a folder.
733 5/30/2022 4:53:00 PM Turn 8 Shannon M Die roll request Request: 6-sided die x 2

4
1


Message from Shannon M:
csa raider
732 5/30/2022 4:47:00 PM Turn 8 Jeremy R Message Paused Union impulse to await Jackson's reaction.

Over to you.

731 5/30/2022 4:43:00 PM Turn 8 Shannon M Message Sounds fine. Opening the file now to review EOT.
730 5/30/2022 4:42:00 PM Turn 8 Jeremy R Die roll request Request: 6-sided die x 1

5


Message from Jeremy R:
AoP (5110) > 5109 > 5209

Jackson reaction roll
729 5/30/2022 4:36:00 PM Turn 8 Jeremy R Message Have just opened your log and found I still can't reveal the Union priorities. What's more, I can't reveal the priorities in previous logs. The only thing I have done since yesterday is open your log file, so have to assume the log file is somehow causing the problem.

However, am now certain the Union's turn 8 priorities were East 1/West 2/Trans 3, and can't face uninstalling/reinstalling again, so am just going to continue and hope for the best.
728 5/30/2022 4:26:00 PM Turn 8 Jeremy R Message No, but it is now past 21:00.

Pretty sure the General Track is up-to-date (and includes the Union's bonus for capturing Richmond).

There was only one table use on both turns 6 and 7. So far, there have been only two doubles for the entire game - and both those turns finished early - which is why the CP Table Total is so low and the Union has been so sluggish.


727 5/30/2022 4:21:00 PM Turn 8 Shannon M Message It occurs to me that you are not off from work as you are in the UK. I will look the file over and update it for table uses, VPs, etc.
726 5/30/2022 12:08:00 AM Turn 8 Shannon M Message Also, because of the COVID surge in my area, I canceled attending a gaming convention. It was last minute so that means I've got more time to make moves this weekend. I'm off until Wednesday. Mostly hiking and staying local.
725 5/30/2022 12:07:00 AM Turn 8 Shannon M Message Before starting we should also do EOT for VPs and such. If you want me to do it let me know.


724 5/29/2022 4:45:00 PM Turn 8 Shannon M Message Do we know the table uses for turns 6 and 7? I can go back and look at the vlogs if needed.

bty
723 5/29/2022 4:43:00 PM Turn 8 Shannon M Die roll request Request: 6-sided die x 4

6
4
1
2


Message from Shannon M:
pulse
722 5/29/2022 4:40:00 PM Turn 8 Shannon M Die roll request Request: 6-sided die x 2

6
1


Message from Shannon M:
cps
721 5/29/2022 4:17:00 PM Turn 8 Shannon M Message Glad it got "fixed."

I'll do my move now before you go to sleep lol

How's COVID over there? My area is having a surge but not a panic.
720 5/29/2022 3:25:00 PM Turn 8 Jeremy R Message Ah... seems ACTS doesn't like angled brackets... that should be "but (Observer) is still the only available option on the Change Sides drop-down."

Technology, don't you just love it. (facepalm)
719 5/29/2022 3:23:00 PM Turn 8 Jeremy R Message that should be "but is still the only available option on the Change Sides drop-down. "
718 5/29/2022 3:21:00 PM Turn 8 Jeremy R Message Well, here's an interesting thing: I deleted the CW module, uninstalled and reinstalled VASSAL, and reinstalled the module. Now, I CAN reveal my Turn 9 priorities (as I thought, they are E1, W2, T3), but is still the only available option on the Change Sides drop-down.

Whether that means some settings are persisting in the Registry even after an Uninstall, I don't know. However, it's working, so am minded to leave well alone. Let me have your next log, and I'll reveal my turn 9 priorities then.


717 5/29/2022 1:58:00 PM Turn 8 Shannon M Message You may want to download the module and Vassal again. It's possible your module is corrupt. You're not able to go to preferences but I am on our shared file.

File - preferences - personal tab.

Or, if you're tired of it all just say the word and I'll do my move.
716 5/28/2022 4:58:00 PM Turn 8 Shannon M Message That's weird. Let me take a look to try one other thing but if it isn't fixed I'm fine going on the honors system.
715 5/28/2022 4:27:00 PM Turn 8 Jeremy R Message Already tried updating my settings on the Preferences > Personal tab - no joy. :(

I now think the problem is that I can't select "USA" in the Choose Sides page - the only options it gives are "Observer" and "Solitaire". (I also tried the Retire button in the toolbar, but the options are the same.) I don't see a setting for specifying the drop-down's options, so think something may have been corrupted.

The only other thing I can think of is uninstalling/reinstalling VASSAL, but am not hopeful. Let's just go ahead with my using the same priorities as last turn.
714 5/28/2022 3:59:00 PM Turn 8 Shannon M Message can you click file and preferences? That's where you login.

Happy to continue otherwise. Just trying to help you get login as it's easier to play the game on your side.
713 5/27/2022 5:09:00 AM Turn 8 Jeremy R Message Yes, that's the problem - when I open the Civil War module in VASSAL, it goes straight to the side selection screen without giving me the option to log on. Have tried reinstalling the module, starting a new game, and opening a log file, but the login screen doesn't show up.
712 5/27/2022 3:05:00 AM Turn 8 Shannon M Message You need to login to Vassal and then you can reveal your theatres for T8.

If you do it as an observer then nothing is really saved.

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